Meenzer 13991 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 I thought this was good on how (in part) we've ended up here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1063482269392867328.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13991 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 And obviously this is spot-on too 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 I can only see two possible ways that May’s deal gets through. a. She faces a leadership challenge and wins convincingly b. She calls another referendum with the choice to remain or leave and a second question on what deal we want in the event of leaving and we vote out again. Right now she doesn’t have the political support to get her deal through, she needs some external verification from somewhere to assert her authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 BTW that was abysmal from Chakrabati on Marr. Were Watson, Starmer and Thornberry all busy this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted November 18, 2018 Author Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: I can only see two possible ways that May’s deal gets through. a. She faces a leadership challenge and wins convincingly b. She calls another referendum with the choice to remain or leave and a second question on what deal we want in the event of leaving and we vote out again. Right now she doesn’t have the political support to get her deal through, she needs some external verification from somewhere to assert her authority. Or the PR narrative starting, this deal or crashing out & Labour must act in the national interest, gathers steam before the vote in 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Won’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14532 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: I thought this was good on how (in part) we've ended up here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1063482269392867328.html Great read. I’ve often said the UK is the Balkans without the Kalashnikovs. The war there was kicked off in 1992 with of democratic vote in the Slovenian Parliament to leave Yugoslavia. Being honest I can’t see a bunch of mad Scots Nats taking to the woods for a boot camp and unloading a trawler full of M16s at Coldingam Bay but it was very ordinary people (in some cases football hooligan gangs) in Serbia and Croatia who first started shooting & burning minorities who had the misfortune of being in the midst of a majority population of the other. As the article said, egged on by facist ideologues and gangsters hungry for money,status & power. The warnings from history are there but no one is really taliking about it. Steve Bannon sat on the GMTV couch being mollycoddled by Piers fuckin Morgan is one of the most disgraceful episodes in modern journalistic history. You can’t debate wth these fuckin cunts. Look how his puppet Trump tried to shut down Acosta. Luckily the US first amendment states that you can’t supress the press. At least there are some in the US speaking truth to power. I can’t see it anywhere in the MSM here. Edited November 18, 2018 by PaddockLad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Looks like the myth of the ERG has finally been exposed. Despite the numbers they claim to have and the influence they’ve had on amendments recently they’ve been unable to get even half their membership to submit their letter calling for a vote of no confidence. They may have finally overplayed their hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30270 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Can anyone give me a quick summary of which of these recent events that CT correctly predicted? Other than CT obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 TBF he did predict a cracking deal would be struck, he just got it wrong regarding which side would find it to be cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Nailed by the Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30270 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Passing the buck. Typical of leavers tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 So, CT, other than immigration, how does May's deal meet your reasons for leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: So, CT, other than immigration, how does May's deal meet your reasons for leaving? Meets all my criteria as listed here many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Okay, in what way does the deal allow us to strike new trade deals for goods? Edit: Or even services for that matter. Edited November 19, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19751 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 terrible from corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16503 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Interesting thread of tweets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Regarding Corbyn, I dont understand what any of these politicians are gaining from delusional comments like that. Why bother claiming something so patently untrue. Why not just treat the public like fucking adults and tell them the truth? Edited November 19, 2018 by Rayvin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17651 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 They can't handle the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Well that's unquestionably true for some of them and we see that day in, day out on here. But maybe if they were more used to hearing it...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17651 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Meanwhile, Nadibe Dorries is upset because we won't have any MEPs after we Brexit! Jesus fucking wept. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19751 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 this is on the money from john harris https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/19/brexit-class-labour-conservative-leave-peoples-vote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16503 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17651 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Incredible stuff from Dorries. The amount of shit Brexiters have come out with is unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26193 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Obviously don't bother reading the piece but this bit is incredible: 'If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it.' The man in charge of Brexit negotiations for two years still doesn't know that without a deal there is no transition period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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