wykikitoon 16452 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Corbyn is getting a load of stick about brexit and his silence on the shambles that are the Tories. Now excuse my ignorance and lack of in depth knowledge compared to some of you...... But. Why would he put his head above the parapet when the Tories are doing such a great job at fucking themselves up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3176 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Corbyn is getting a load of stick about brexit and his silence on the shambles that are the Tories. Now excuse my ignorance and lack of in depth knowledge compared to some of you...... But. Why would he put his head above the parapet when the Tories are doing such a great job at fucking themselves up? He’s behind in the polls to the shittest government in British history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13919 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 And he's letting that government trash the country to the extent there'll be nothing worth redistributing if he does ever get in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16452 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Corbyn is getting a load of stick about brexit and his silence on the shambles that are the Tories. Now excuse my ignorance and lack of in depth knowledge compared to some of you...... But. Why would he put his head above the parapet when the Tories are doing such a great job at fucking themselves up? He’s missing an absolute trick. Back Mays withdrawal agreement which would lose the Tories the DUP, which would lose the Tories power. Then Labour would be free to negotiate the future deal any way they wanted. Customs union, single market access, workers rights...... No downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3176 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: He’s missing an absolute trick. Back Mays withdrawal agreement which would lose the Tories the DUP, which would lose the Tories power. Then Labour would be free to negotiate the future deal any way they wanted. Customs union, single market access, workers rights...... No downside. Fuck me but you’re a thick cunt. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Fuck me but you’re a thick cunt. Come on then clever cunt, what’s the flaw in this plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3176 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Come on then clever cunt, what’s the flaw in this plan? There is no way he can get his party’s backing to support this bill. at least 100 actual Tories are going to vote against it. By backing the deal he is saying it is the best he can get and undermines his position to replace May. he also can’t support a Tory government even the Tories don’t support. he has previously attacked the deal and now he is going to back it?? you’re a thick cunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: There is no way he can get his party’s backing to support this bill. at least 100 actual Tories are going to vote against it. By backing the deal he is saying it is the best he can get and undermines his position to replace May. he also can’t support a Tory government even the Tories don’t support. he has previously attacked the deal and now he is going to back it?? you’re a thick cunt. I know you’re a dour Scotch cunt but you’ve been on very good form recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: There is no way he can get his party’s backing to support this bill. at least 100 actual Tories are going to vote against it. By backing the deal he is saying it is the best he can get and undermines his position to replace May. he also can’t support a Tory government even the Tories don’t support. he has previously attacked the deal and now he is going to back it?? you’re a thick cunt. The only thing he would be backing is the withdrawal agreement, the deal is a blank canvas that he could paint as he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: Why would he put his head above the parapet when the Tories are doing such a great job at fucking themselves up? To paraphrase someone much more intelligent than me: ‘you don’t interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake but when your enemy is driving you off a cliff...’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17520 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: The only thing he would be backing is the withdrawal agreement, the deal is a blank canvas that he could paint as he likes. 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: The only thing he would be backing is the withdrawal agreement, the deal is a blank canvas that he could paint as he likes. You don't get it. Signing the WA gives huge leverage going forward to EU, even more than they have now. There is no negotiating a good deal going forward from that. This is like when the extremes of the circle meet, facism and communism. Corbyn and the ERG have a fair bit in common. Both completely delusional in what they can achieve, because they fundamentally just dont get it, like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Renton said: You don't get it. Signing the WA gives huge leverage going forward to EU, even more than they have now. There is no negotiating a good deal going forward from that. Eh? Putting aside your remain option, Labour could easily sign up to a very soft Norway plus type deal that the EU would snap your hand off for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17520 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Eh? Putting aside your remain option, Labour could easily sign up to a very soft Norway plus type deal that the EU would snap your hand off for. Actually i dont think EFTA is on offer anymore, if it ever was, Norway have made their objwctions clear. As you know i was an advocate but after listening to the reasons Norway gave, it was hard to disagree any deal would be right fot them or us. Theres at least three issues with your cunning plan. First, corbyn would have to win a GE. Highly doubtful he can. Second, there simply isn't time, even with an A50 extension. And thirdly, Corbyn really wants a hard Brexit, not a Norway type solution. I think there are only two ways forward. First the May WA followed by negotiation for an FTA. Problem is getting the WA through parliament and also this does mean a permanent backstop. The DUP are right to fear it, it will ultimately break the UK. Second is to Remain. Politically poisonous. Both terrible choices going forward, but tgats tge truth of it. Hence why i think ultimately tge least damaging thing May can do is give it back to the people as a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 4948 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 hours ago, Renton said: Actually i dont think EFTA is on offer anymore, if it ever was, Norway have made their objwctions clear. As you know i was an advocate but after listening to the reasons Norway gave, it was hard to disagree any deal would be right fot them or us. Theres at least three issues with your cunning plan. First, corbyn would have to win a GE. Highly doubtful he can. Second, there simply isn't time, even with an A50 extension. And thirdly, Corbyn really wants a hard Brexit, not a Norway type solution. I think there are only two ways forward. First the May WA followed by negotiation for an FTA. Problem is getting the WA through parliament and also this does mean a permanent backstop. The DUP are right to fear it, it will ultimately break the UK. Second is to Remain. Politically poisonous. Both terrible choices going forward, but tgats tge truth of it. Hence why i think ultimately tge least damaging thing May can do is give it back to the people as a referendum. I'm tempted to say the Tories would rather break up the union that back Remain. The former will take longer to happen meaning that stupid people have a chance of forgetting whose fault it is. Not so with Remain which could very literally see public fury push Corbyn into Number 10 with or without any effective manifesto or campaign on his part. If he sticks to the illusion that he backs Brexit and the Tories deliver Remain, he'll pick up the Brexiters and all the usual left leaners. Which, actually, is a bit worrying. His mandate for change would be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, ewerk said: Thats promising, but is it true? There seems to be no mention on yougov or google news or any journalists on twitter. I would have expected the media to be all over it like a rash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 @ewerk helloooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38494 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 The irony of Butter Bean calling out someone for not having independently verified stats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19714 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Butter bean has the boldon bomber got the same hard-hitting right cross though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 13/12/2018 at 21:23, Christmas Tree said: Search them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38494 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Butter bean has the boldon bomber got the same hard-hitting right cross though? He’s a duck pizza lover, not a fighter, Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, ewerk said: I did (as I mentioned). Edited December 15, 2018 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/12/2017 at 12:18, Christmas Tree said: Your the one saying I’m wrong. Point me to anything that says it can’t happen. Shouldn’t be too hard for a man of your intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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