ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Or chaos with Ed Miliband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Her plan B is just going to be plan A isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30239 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: No contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 why not try both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17610 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: why not try both? Unambitious. Let's destroy the EU as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, NJS said: Her plan B is just going to be plan A isn't it? They could at least put a false moustache on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26605 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Alex said: That’s the problem with a people’s vote though, too many thick cunts lapping up the shit spoon fed to them by the likes of The Sun and The Daily Mail. It’s also a major issue with Corbyn, his refusal to play the game once again allows the lie to be believed by too many. Don’t get me wrong, people buying it after everything that’s happened are beneath my contempt but there are a scary amount of them out there Some of the people I work with, (blancmange for brains) will never vote labour with corbyn as he's a terrorist sympathiser and they're leave voters, (or didn't vote but if had've it would've been leave because immigration). One likes Trump as well. Thick. As. Fuck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I glanced at some fuckers Express on the train this morning and they had a current remain/leave poll as 53/47. Forty fucking seven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Some of the people I work with, (blancmange for brains) will never vote labour with corbyn as he's a terrorist sympathiser and they're leave voters, (or didn't vote but if had've it would've been leave because immigration). One likes Trump as well. Thick. As. Fuck. which is why referendums are always a terrible idea. people are stupid - don't ask them to make important decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The Guardian's overall narrative at the moment seems to be that we have to accept we're leaving and try to tweak the deal. Interesting position tbh, I would've thought it was all to fight for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 i still think we're heading for a GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i still think we're heading for a GE How? The smaller parties aren't going to vote for it, they confirmed as much today. Labour can't make it happen on its own. Unless you think May will table one. Edited January 17, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, NJS said: I glanced at some fuckers Express on the train this morning and they had a current remain/leave poll as 53/47. Forty fucking seven. Yougov have it 56/44 in favour of remain. Either way it's hard to deny that the will of the people in 2016 is not the will of the people now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Yes but that should be enough to make the foregone conclusion people wary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) @Rayvin Parliament is deadlocked, she isn’t prepared to negotiate or extend article 50, and the EU will only allow an extension in exceptional circumstances anyway. She won’t resign or contemplate compromise to forge a cross party consensus. The clock is ticking. Labour are certain to call another confidence vote at some point. Her majority was meagre last night. If she starts to hint at softer Brexit, she will split her own party. She doesn’t have a solution for the back stop so the DUP, which helped her scrape through this time, could side with Corbyn. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: @Rayvin Parliament is deadlocked, she isn’t prepared to negotiate or extend article 50, and the EU will only allow an extension in exceptional circumstances anyway. She won’t resign or contemplate compromise to forge a cross party consensus. The clock is ticking. Labour are certain to call another confidence vote at some point. Her majority was meagre last night. If she starts to hint at softer Brexit, she will split her own party. She doesn’t have a solution for the back stop so the DUP, which helped her scrape through this time, could side with Corbyn. Yeah but as I said, the Lib Dems have ruled out backing him on another No Confidence motion, so he'd need to carry another 10 or so Tories over as well. And I have a feeling the SNP may well say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: Yeah but as I said, the Lib Dems have ruled out backing him on another No Confidence motion, so he'd need to carry another 10 or so Tories over as well. And I have a feeling the SNP may well say the same thing. it looks like she still thinks her red lines are non-negotiable, despite her claim she will reach out across the house to form consensus. the only way she gets a deal through parliament is softening it, which will anger the eurosceptics in her own party. things are moving all the time, so don't be surprised if they all turn on her. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Refusing to start negotiations until a no deal catastrophe is taken off the table is the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: She could add it to her list of red lines. She isn't budging on those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 it can be taken off the table - the basis for starting negotiations should be, that in the event that a deal can't get through parliament, the UK extends A50 to avoid a disorderly exit. This, of course, means calling a GE, or legislating for a PV, as that is the only way the EU will give us more time. i genuinely don't think they will let us crash out on march 29, but I suppose there is a remote chance they could, so it isn't water tight from a legal perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 There is no legal basis for preventing no deal so why make it a prerequisite for talks? He's a thick fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: There is no legal basis for preventing no deal so why make it a prerequisite for talks? He's a thick fool. His position is mirrored by the LDs and SNP. So whether a fool or not, he has company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 And yet Vince Cable and Ian Blackford met with the PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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