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3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Maybe have another guess.

 

Only 118, huge majority of them ERG slanted, you ridiculous pedant. Imagine blaming the official opposition and 'remoaners" for voting down a deal they fundamentally disagree with, rather than May's own party. :lol:

 

But that's leavers for you. Many of us predicted you would literally blame everybody else when it went tits up, and here we are. x

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As Gemmill said, he couldn’t even articulate the deal he wanted but it’s everybody else’s fault it hasn’t been delivered. He either believes that and he’s a fucking idiot or he’s just trying to wind people up because he desperately craves attention 

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4 minutes ago, Alex said:

As Gemmill said, he couldn’t even articulate the deal he wanted but it’s everybody else’s fault it hasn’t been delivered. He either believes that and he’s a fucking idiot or he’s just trying to wind people up because he desperately craves attention 

 

Not mutually exclusive, the contrary mackem tub of lard. 

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6 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

Correct.  Very well paid MP's unwilling to do the job they are paid for.  Referenda are for weak politicians unwilling to make decisions, in case they lose their job.

Even worse arguably is their expecting people to understand something they themselves didn’t even understand. Even having had over two years to get to grips with the issue many MPs don’t seem to fully comprehend how the EU works. And to top it off a lot are still lying about what can be delivered. In some cases by people who actually had a go at trying to make a deal and couldn’t hack it. All the fault of the opposition and people who didn’t vote to leave though, obviously 

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Just now, Renton said:

 

Not mutually exclusive, the contrary mackem tub of lard. 

He did, after all, first arrive here when Keegan left telling people Dennis Wise should get the manager’s job

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2 minutes ago, Alex said:

Even worse arguably is their expecting people to understand something they themselves didn’t even understand. Even having had over two years to get to grips with the issue many MPs don’t seem to fully comprehend how the EU works. And to top it off a lot are still lying about what can be delivered. In some cases by people who actually had a go at trying to make a deal and couldn’t hack it. All the fault of the opposition and people who didn’t vote to leave though, obviously 

Aye, I've always thought that politicians must have some level of intelligence and grasp of policy and how the world works but this has really exposed just how many utter charlatans we have in parliament.

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8 hours ago, Renton said:

 

QT was in gammon land today wasnt it? Derby? Not everywhere would be like that. Theres no way PV will have no deal on it. It means a hard border in Ireland and breaking the GFA, an international treaty. Not to mention a teeny economic downturn.  I thought you agreed with this? Let the gammons cheer, they'll be sizzling soon enough.

No, you’re right. No deal would almost certainly not be on the ballot. But at this stage, who the fuck knows? It is incredible  how many voters still desire economic suicide though. There have been increasing numbers of people holding “no deal, no problem” placards around college green lately. 

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2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Aye, I've always thought that politicians must have some level of intelligence and grasp of policy and how the world works but this has really exposed just how many utter charlatans we have in parliament.

 Alan Campbell, my MP, has just received a knighthood. I know and like him, but fuck me, he's no Einstein and has done fuck all politically. 

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1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

No, you’re right. No deal would almost certainly not be on the ballot. But at this stage, who the fuck knows? It is incredible  how many voters still desire economic suicide though. There have been increasing numbers of people holding “no deal, no problem” placards around college green lately. 

No deal v May’s deal v Remain would be the perfect ballot imo 

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22 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Only 118, huge majority of them ERG slanted, you ridiculous pedant. Imagine blaming the official opposition and 'remoaners" for voting down a deal they fundamentally disagree with, rather than May's own party. :lol:

 

But that's leavers for you. Many of us predicted you would literally blame everybody else when it went tits up, and here we are. x

 

Mots understandable the ERG voting against as they want WTO terms. 

 

Lets remember, this was just the withdrawal agreement sorting out citizens rights, the money we owe and safeguarding NI. 

 

The political declaration was vague as hell which could (through Parliament) have been anything from a free trade deal to Norway plus.

 

We could now be sitting here with it mostly over, a two or three year transition and back to relatively normal politics. But oh no, Corbyn wants to create as much chaos as possible, bring the country to its knees in utter desperation to get into a job that he’s vastly ill equipped to do and would absolutely hate. :lol:

 

Pure charlatan and carry’s most of the blame for where we are.

 

Hes destroyed the Labour Party and no wants to take us all with him. 

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3 minutes ago, Alex said:

See what I mean? Shameless :lol: 

 

Well at least he's happy to admit to being thick enough to have been duped by obvious lies in one recent vote. Maybe he'll figure out the other one eventually.

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45 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Mots understandable the ERG voting against as they want WTO terms. 

 

Lets remember, this was just the withdrawal agreement sorting out citizens rights, the money we owe and safeguarding NI. 

 

The political declaration was vague as hell which could (through Parliament) have been anything from a free trade deal to Norway plus.

 

We could now be sitting here with it mostly over, a two or three year transition and back to relatively normal politics. But oh no, Corbyn wants to create as much chaos as possible, bring the country to its knees in utter desperation to get into a job that he’s vastly ill equipped to do and would absolutely hate. :lol:

 

Pure charlatan and carry’s most of the blame for where we are.

 

Hes destroyed the Labour Party and no wants to take us all with him. 

So what you’re really saying is you were completely wrong because you didn’t realise he was ill-equipped to govern when you voted for him.

And as for carrying most of the blame for where we are... :lol: D minus - must try harder!

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1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

So what you’re really saying is you were completely wrong because you didn’t realise he was ill-equipped to govern when  you voted for him.

And as for carrying most of the blame for where we are :lol: D minus - must try harder!

Political genius 

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Raab couldn't secure a deal parliament would approve. Davis couldn’t. Johnson did nothing to make a suitable deal possible in his time at the Foreign Office. Liam Fox hasn’t been able to deliver one positive bit of news on a trade deal. All Brexiteers. May’s negotiated deal was rejected by just about every MP not on the government payroll. So it’s obviously Corbyn and the fault of his party that we’re where we are. 

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CT even Rayvin now thinks Corbyn is a cunt so am not sure what you’re trying to prove, possibly and inadvertently that you’re an easily manipulated thick twat desperate for a diversion from the issue at hand, ie the Tory party tearing itself to fuckin pieces over Europe. Their desperation to prevent Corbyn becoming PM doesn’t change that. 

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