RobinRobin 9154 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Renton said: Thing is, Brexit is liable to break up both the UK and Britain the way things are going. These Brexiters are going to lose the union flag. Also I thought most them were in the "no surrender to the IRA" camp yet here they ate not giving a toss about NI as long as Brexit happens. English nationalism is fucking strange. I agree, but that concept does not compute for that lot. We live in a Trump world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 A nice concise list of the self-serving cunts in the PLP more concerned with their own jobs than the health of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34157 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Mary Glindon is my MP. So that's at least one vote she's lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 She's also a woman with a massive majority and no fucking seat to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Not exactly full throated support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34157 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 He's a fucking arsehole. It'll be done and dusted by the time he arrives at a firm position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17575 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Great article here, strongly recommend reading it. Yes @ewerk it's Ivan Rogers but he has been spot on so far and understands the EU inside out. Quote Deliberately to walk out of the deepest internal market on the planet without a replacement looser preferential deal in place is an act of economic lunacy. We shall need A preferential deal. Even if it is one appreciably looser – and hence reduces trade and investment flows from today, because we cannot live with supranational legislation, adjudication and enforcement which EU membership entails. No deal’ is not a destination. It is simply a volatile and uncertain transitional state of purgatory, in which you have forfeited all the leverage to the other side because you start with a blank slate of no preferential arrangements, and live, in the interim – probably for years – on a basis they legislate – in their own interests. At 27. Without you in the room, and without consulting you politically. So much of our debate about ‘being ready here for ‘no deal’ therefore totally misses the point. Whole speech is here. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Renton clearly was on the vinegar strokes by the third bullet point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17575 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 If you'd like to bother reading it and giving your thoughts, I'd be interested. As it is it paints a very pessimistic picture for the next several decades and at least evidences it with logic and facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Ain't nobody got time to read all that. I'm still not 100% sure that Boris is stupid enough to pull the trigger on no deal. Could any Tory PM survive the fallout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13932 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 If anyone can, it's him. He achieved basically nothing as London mayor and his views and comments on all kinds of things are well documented, and still he's at the front of the queue to be the next PM. That being the case, maybe he's Teflon enough to survive wrecking the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I just don't see how he does so without a significant number resigning the Tory whip and forcing a GE. An election set against the background of a Mad Max style UK surely is unwinnable even for that lovable scamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17575 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, ewerk said: Ain't nobody got time to read all that. I'm still not 100% sure that Boris is stupid enough to pull the trigger on no deal. Could any Tory PM survive the fallout? It's this tl;dr attitude amongst politicians that has got us where we are. Nobody does details, but the devil is in the details. Tbh nobody even does the big picture. Rogers believes that no deal isn't inevitable, but the mostikely outcome nonetheless. It suits the EU, gives them all the leverage. Johnson can't revoke, he can't have a referendum, he can't have a GE, he can't renegotiate, and he probably can't extend. His only option is to try and renegotiate and blame the EU for us crashing out. But then what? Part of the argument underlined here is that it suits the EU to keep us in limbo for years or decades as they will have complete assymetric power over us. Unless and until the UK basically go back cap in hand and beg for the WA, there will be no trade deal. But it'll be politically impossible for the tories to this. Basically, this might be worse than anybody feared possible 3 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 That's pretty much what I've been thinking for a long time. Listen to me instead of Sir Ivan Rogers and you'll save yourself hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13932 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Good to know that CT's boy's lisp hasn't transferred to his writing. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12733 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Obviously, it isn't real but let's pretend it is. 1. What ten-year-old has handwriting like that? 2. Who had a child in 2009 and called it Jim? 3. The formatting of that letter betrays his years. 4. It's "sincerely", you little bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Never too young to be a total cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Corbyn has once again bottled the decision on a second referendum. Sounds like it’s McCluskey holding him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 So the EU has signed a trade agreement with a marketplace of 800m people. Strange thing to do for such an isolationist, protectionist organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48810069 More money down the shitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17575 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, ewerk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48810069 More money down the shitter. This shit is unbelievable. As tax payers we are all literally paying for this ridiculous tory shitstorm. ONE party has caused this, from start to finish. Can't quite recall who first said it, but i hope there is a special place in hell for all these fuckers. Edited June 29, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9926 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26142 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Len McCluskey: ‘There’s no need to panic’. We’re heading straight for no deal you fucking idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Unite are one big fucking racket anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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