zerosum 234 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 SM kind of yeah.. CU I fucking thought I did lol.. apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Renton said: Out of interest, can anyone truthfully say they were aware of what the CU and SM were before this referendum, when they voted, and even now? ME! ME! ME! Then again I did do a module on the politics of the EU at uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Out of interest, can anyone truthfully say they were aware of what the CU and SM were before this referendum, when they voted, and even now? Single Market yes. Everything else no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Johnson's own brother has resigned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Also Luciana Berger has gone on a free transfer to the Lib Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ewerk said: ME! ME! ME! Then again I did do a module on the politics of the EU at uni. Thats another thing. You are all far more intelligent (or should I say knowledgeable? lol) than the majority of voters. Including me! I am one of the 90% who just go with face value a lot of times. I never did EU at Uni haha.. didn’t even go to Uni. That majority needs won over by a charismatic leader who the people can relate to or believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17595 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, zerosum said: SM kind of yeah.. CU I fucking thought I did lol.. apparently not. So the SM is a regulatory union allowing frictionless trade across the EU28 and allows for the free movement of goods, services, capital and people across the EEA. Effectively it makes the rest of Europe our domestic market, expanding our customer base ten fold. It's a work of genius imo. What don't you like about it? Sorry, as ttlhe only leaver here nowadays I'm just curious. The CU is much less important, although problematic for Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Renton said: So the SM is a regulatory union allowing frictionless trade across the EU28 and allows for the free movement of goods, services, capital and people across the EEA. Effectively it makes the rest of Europe our domestic market, expanding our customer base ten fold. It's a work of genius imo. What don't you like about it? Sorry, as ttlhe only leaver here nowadays I'm just curious. The CU is much less important, although problematic for Ireland. I said kind of .. and forgive me but I can’t be arsed going through all that again with my own reasons for ticking the leave box. lol. Was like poking a stick in a wasp nest last time around. Edited September 5, 2019 by zerosum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16487 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: Also Luciana Berger has gone on a free transfer to the Lib Dems. Like rats jumping off a sinking ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17595 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, zerosum said: Thats another thing. You are all far more intelligent (or should I say knowledgeable? lol) than the majority of voters. Including me! I am one of the 90% who just go with face value a lot of times. I never did EU at Uni haha.. didn’t even go to Uni. That majority needs won over by a charismatic leader who the people can relate to or believe Agree, why the fuck should people know this stuff unless it interests them or it is important for their job. Most MPs are also ignorant. Having a referendum on it was madness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Like rats jumping off a sinking ship There's that anti-semitism she was complaining about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Renton said: Agree, why the fuck should people know this stuff unless it interests them or it is important for their job. Most MPs are also ignorant. Having a referendum on it was madness. Aye, Nadine Dorries didn't have a clue what the customs union was until after the vote. Didn't stop her campaigning for leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17595 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Jo Johnson stepping down now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9939 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Renton said: Jo Johnson stepping down now. Probably going back to the snooker full time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19728 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 stepping down to spend less time with family 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 In the Brexit committee Michael Gove has just finished answering a series of questions about how Dover would cope with lorry arrivals in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Hilary Benn, the committee chair, did not sound hugely reassured, and he concluded by asking Gove to admit that no one actually knows what will happen in the event of no deal. Gove did not contest this, but replied: The future is known only to the Almighty. Benn said unfortunately the Almighty would not be appearing as a witness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Apparently there will be another vote on an early GE on Monday. The thinking on this is that the Benn Amendment will have become law. This means, IMO, that the Tories think Corbyn has come on strong enough in talking about voting for a GE once Benn as royal assent, that he's unlikely to back down. It would also explain why the filibustering in the Lords suddenly stopped. Now, this is a tough one. It does on the one hand put all the power in the hands of Corbyn - and the Tories might have blown their load over him being a 'coward' too soon. He could very well turn around on Monday and say that Labour won't vote for it, citing mistrust in the government to follow the letter of the law. In which case, the Tories are completely outflanked in parliament. However, the impact with the public may be less clear - I could see people taking a very dim view of Corbyn backing down "a second time". So, I think Labour will indeed vote for a GE on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26162 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Apparently there will be another vote on an early GE on Monday. The thinking on this is that the Benn Amendment will have become law. This means, IMO, that the Tories think Corbyn has come on strong enough in talking about voting for a GE once Benn as royal assent, that he's unlikely to back down. It would also explain why the filibustering in the Lords suddenly stopped. Now, this is a tough one. It does on the one hand put all the power in the hands of Corbyn - and the Tories might have blown their load over him being a 'coward' too soon. He could very well turn around on Monday and say that Labour won't vote for it, citing mistrust in the government to follow the letter of the law. In which case, the Tories are completely outflanked in parliament. However, the impact with the public may be less clear - I could see people taking a very dim view of Corbyn backing down "a second time". So, I think Labour will indeed vote for a GE on Monday. It could be an incredibly foolish thing to do. If they want an election then they need to have the election date written into law. I’m not sure if a VONC can be amended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I agree, I don't want them to do it. But I think that's the direction we're heading. Corbyn can now claim the Tories are forcing his hand in his meetings with the PLP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 It's a "best for the country moment" imo - they have to make sure October 31st passes then embrace it 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The thing is with a general election who will be even voting for? The parties are so divided within themselves on nearly every issue there isn't one semblance of a credible party left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Tories/Brexit Party/UKIP - No Deal Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/Everyone Else - 2nd Referendum based on a choice between May's Deal, No Deal, and Remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: Tories/Brexit Party/UKIP - No Deal Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/Everyone Else - 2nd Referendum based on a choice between May's Deal, No Deal, and Remain Has anyone asked the LDs or others what they want the other option(s) to be on the ballot and what they'd do if leave won? I still think it would be closer than assumed after another campaign because I cant's see any lessons learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, NJS said: Has anyone asked the LDs or others what they want the other option(s) to be on the ballot and what they'd do if leave won? I still think it would be closer than assumed after another campaign because I cant's see any lessons learned Don't think that debate has happened. No Deal might have a hard time getting on there if Parliament stays as it is. I think that's risky though as No Deal is clearly beatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 It's absolutely ridiculous that Labour MPs are having to try and pressure Corbyn into making the right decision here. The bloke is fucking useless. If it's an election before the end of October, Johnson has a higher chance of winning it and the consequences for the country would be dire. You don't give him that opportunity. It's beyond straightforward. The tories are gonna have plenty to say about Corbyn during the election campaign. He doesn't need to worry about what they say about him not giving them the election pre October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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