Renton 17621 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Why is it impossible? How long does it take to sort out a referendum? I thought the idea on drugs wasn't stealing it, it was simply denying public funding to anyone who doesn't play ball. Honestly though man, this is the sort of stuff people will get behind. Labour have looked uncertain and dithering for ages, but Corbyn looks totally confident on this GE. There's a lot of stuff in that speech that I totally support and would love to see come in. A referendum alone is typically 9 months, after you know what the question choices are. I'm glad you have faith in Corbyn delivering this, because I don't. Yeah, let's chase pharma away if they don't give up their drugs for free. Simple solutions for complex problems. Corbyn is just another populist and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Renton said: A referendum alone is typically 9 months, after you know what the question choices are. I'm glad you have faith in Corbyn delivering this, because I don't. Yeah, let's chase pharma away if they don't give up their drugs for free. Simple solutions for complex problems. Corbyn is just another populist and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. I just want to remain in the EU But having said that, we can either continue to have this abject fucking austerity driven mess that we're currently living under, aided and abetted by the Lib Dems and even old New Labour, or we can have some actual positive change. And if it all falls apart in a few years then the Tories can sweep back in and pretend to be the party of competence again. At least in the meantime we'll have fewer people dying on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I just want to remain in the EU But having said that, we can either continue to have this abject fucking austerity driven mess that we're currently living under, aided and abetted by the Lib Dems and even old New Labour, or we can have some actual positive change. And if it all falls apart in a few years then the Tories can sweep back in and pretend to be the party of competence again. At least in the meantime we'll have fewer people dying on the streets. Will we though? It would be nice to just have some evidence based decision making rather than this ridiculous popularism. To go back to Corbyn's example, Orkambi is made and licensed from a US pharmaceutical company who to my knowledge haven't benefitted from the UK government at all. So if he's elected what's he going to do? Break international law. Fork out millions to buy the drug lawfully. Or let thousands of CF sufferers down after getting their hope's up? It's just dishonest. Whether it's from Corbyn or Johnson. A bit more realism then maybe I could get behind him, but presently, I'm not sure Edited September 24, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Renton said: Will we though? It would be nice to just have some evidence based decision making rather than this ridiculous popularism. To go back to Corbyn's example, Orkambi is made and licensed from a US pharmaceutical company who to my knowledge haven't benefitted from the UK government at all. So if he's elected what's he going to do? Break international law. Fork out millions to buy the drug lawfully. Or let thousands of CF sufferers down after getting their hope's up? It's just dishonest. Whether it's from Corbyn or Johnson. A bit more realism then maybe I could get behind him, but presently, I'm not sure I suspect it might be a policy to implement for the future rather than one which will cover drugs that already exist. Who knows, I'm sure it'll be scrutinised over the coming few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 The thought of someone like Abbot or that awful Rebecca Long-Bailey being scrutinised over this shit is what worries me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Renton said: A referendum alone is typically 9 months, after you know what the question choices are. I'm glad you have faith in Corbyn delivering this, because I don't. Yeah, let's chase pharma away if they don't give up their drugs for free. Simple solutions for complex problems. Corbyn is just another populist and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. I think you and I have very similar political views, and I’ve never come closer to not voting Labour since Corbyn dithered his way in to leadership, but what are the other options available to us right now? Swinton’s Lib Dem’s can fuck off- they’re like the town bike, and will fuck anyone to get in to power. Greens are miles away from being a genuine voteworthy party. I’m not Scotch, West English or Guinnish, so all that lot are fuck all use to me. It’s Corbyn’s Labour or… who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 If your in a safe labour seat, vote green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: I think you and I have very similar political views, and I’ve never come closer to not voting Labour since Corbyn dithered his way in to leadership, but what are the other options available to us right now? Swinton’s Lib Dem’s can fuck off- they’re like the town bike, and will fuck anyone to get in to power. Greens are miles away from being a genuine voteworthy party. I’m not Scotch, West English or Guinnish, so all that lot are fuck all use to me. It’s Corbyn’s Labour or… who else? Vote tactically for the least worst option that is likely to win your seat. For me, that's still Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Renton said: Vote tactically for the least worst option that is likely to win your seat. For me, that's still Labour. This is all I'm doing as well. I mean it's Labour for me too, but if I was in a Lib Dem area I'd go for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 For all my whingeing about Corbyn and even though my vote counts for fuck all in my constituency I’ll be voting Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13968 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Even I'll probably vote Labour and that's saying something. Ultra-safe constituency so it makes no odds anyway, and the local MP is a hard worker so I don't mind endorsing her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Is that Helen Hayes? She’s class. Really like her. I might hold my nose and vote Labour if only for the new climate change policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13968 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Vicky Foxcroft. She's not especially high profile but maybe that's exactly why I find her quite credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Vicky Foxcroft. She's not especially high profile but maybe that's exactly why I find her quite credible. Sounds like a porno name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13968 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 The Lib Dem is a Spurs-supporting blank page called Bobby Dean, which makes voting for Porno Vicky immeasurably easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34167 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 "And then I said... Have you got a bomb in that hat, Abdul, or are you just pleased to see me?!" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: The Lib Dem is a Spurs-supporting blank page called Bobby Dean, which makes voting for Porno Vicky immeasurably easier. Bobby D could also be a pornstar name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: "And then I said... Have you got a bomb in that hat, Abdul, or are you just pleased to see me?!" “Strait of Hormuz? More like the Strait of Hummus!” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13968 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Bobby D could also be a pornstar name. As opposed to Bobby G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Rule 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: "And then I said... Have you got a bomb in that hat, Abdul, or are you just pleased to see me?!" “And I posted a letter… in your wife’s face!” 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26176 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 12:43, ewerk said: So we have Labour, Lib Dems and SNP and a number of independents in favour of a People’s Vote. Why not push for it now? This is as close as we’re going to get for a majority for a PV as we’re going to get in this parliament. Why delay? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Would be great news to finally kill this stupid fucking issue once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13968 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 This issue will never, ever die. Whatever happens. We're stuck with it dividing the country forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Meenzer said: This issue will never, ever die. Whatever happens. We're stuck with it dividing the country forever. Yep. And before Cameron, it wasn't even an issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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