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She's fucking horrendous. The worst thing is that other journalists leap to her defence and it gets twisted as misogyny. No mate, she's just an awful dyed in the wool Tory who acts as a mouthpiece for No 10. The only reason she's not officially on his staff is cos she gets paid more at the BBC. 

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28 minutes ago, Renton said:

So is the MSM going to point out what a hypocrite and outright liar Johnson is? Thought not. 

 

 

 

 

It just goes to show how self serving these politicians are when it comes to morals and making their lives easier, they'll literally say anything to further their own cause.

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Renton said:

Some MPs, like Caroline Flint for instance,  seem to be only bothered about their job. Couldn't give a shit about telling hard truths and saving their constituents jobs. 

That is all any of them are bothered about. :mad:

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Feeling more pessimistic now than at any point since 2016 about chances of hard Brexit being avoided (and make no mistake, the only version of Brexit harder Johnson's proposed 'deal' is no deal). My prediction: even if the DUP hold firm (Ian Paisley will surely raise from the dead if they fold), there will be sufficient cowardice amongst Tory 'rebels' and Labour Brexiteers (Hoey. Kinnock, Flint et al) to squeak this over the line.

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28 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Feeling more pessimistic now than at any point since 2016 about chances of hard Brexit being avoided (and make no mistake, the only version of Brexit harder Johnson's proposed 'deal' is no deal). My prediction: even if the DUP hold firm (Ian Paisley will surely raise from the dead if they fold), there will be sufficient cowardice amongst Tory 'rebels' and Labour Brexiteers (Hoey. Kinnock, Flint et al) to squeak this over the line.

 

Most commentators have it failing by 3 or 4 votes. I can't help thinking Johnson's appalling performance a few weeks back (humbug gate) might tip the balance against him. Would be poetic justice. 

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1 minute ago, NJS said:

A couple of NEC  members have said any deal backers will be replaced as candidates for the GE. 

 

Well they fucking should be, but why leave it to the exec committee?

 

On the deal itself, the entire ERG will vote for it - looking at what is being said now I'm basically certain of that. The Tory rebels will most likely all go for it with perhaps 3 exceptions. So he only needs about 10 Labour rebels. It'll be a dark day in they vote it through.

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