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Just now, NJS said:

Fair comment - but I still maintain he's in a hard position because of the split in labour voters. 

 

But the stats don't really bear this out. Do you think Sunderland will ever vote for other than Labour? I think trying to appease UKip gammons is morally wrong, cowardly, and ultimately counter productive. 

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12 minutes ago, NJS said:

I think he could have done better but I understand some of his views being shaped by leave area votes which I think as "metropolitan" remainers we underestimate. 

 

Going full on remain/second vote/very soft brexit would have come at a cost - look at how the lib dems were wiped out at the GE and their current standing as evidence. 

 

As I also keep saying, I think there seems to be a simple misunderstanding of parliamentary maths. 

And yet he is either behind or has a tiny lead in the polls against the worst government in living memory.

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24 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

But the stats don't really bear this out. Do you think Sunderland will ever vote for other than Labour? I think trying to appease UKip gammons is morally wrong, cowardly, and ultimately counter productive. 

Sunderland definitely not - places like Mansfield and other marginals could be affected. 

 

The gammon trope is the extreme - there are leave voters who deserve a bit of understanding even if you do think they were wrong.. 

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4 minutes ago, NJS said:

The gammon trope is the extreme - there are leave voters who deserve a bit of understanding even if you do think they were wrong.. 

What? You have to go along with what they want even though they're completely wrong about what's causing their problems?

Are you Seumas Milne?

 

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10 minutes ago, ewerk said:

What? You have to go along with what they want even though they're completely wrong about what's causing their problems?

Are you Seumas Milne?

 

Didn't say you have to agree with their views - just saying it brings to mind the argument we've had on here in the past - if NL were so great, why do all these deindustrialised areas still feel like they've been betrayed over a longer term than this tory government? 

 

Blaming the EU is bollocks but perhaps they should ask why NL didn't exactly transform these areas either. 

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40 minutes ago, NJS said:

Didn't say you have to agree with their views - just saying it brings to mind the argument we've had on here in the past - if NL were so great, why do all these deindustrialised areas still feel like they've been betrayed over a longer term than this tory government? 

 

Blaming the EU is bollocks but perhaps they should ask why NL didn't exactly transform these areas either. 

No, New Labour didn't create a fucking utopian country but they left it a lot better than they found it and much better than the current state it finds itself in.

Of course we need to try to help these parts of the country that are angry and the UK is far too focused on the south of England but indulging them on this issue is only going to make things worse for them.

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i'm starting to think may's strategy might pay off. her masochistic resilience is all about running the clock down, so we get to a point where labour panic and back her deal because it's that or we go over the cliff edge. 

the tories certainly don't want to be remembered as the government that oversees the economic ruin of no deal - it'd make them unelectable for a generation or more. the question is who blinks first: does may soften her deal to get it through parliament, or does Labour facilitate her shitty brexit vision because the alternative is too terrifying to contemplate? 

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22 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'm starting to think may's strategy might pay off. her masochistic resilience is all about running the clock down, so we get to a point where labour panic and back her deal because it's that or we go over the cliff edge. 

the tories certainly don't want to be remembered as the government that oversees the economic ruin of no deal - it'd make them unelectable for a generation or more. the question is who blinks first: does may soften her deal to get it through parliament, or does Labour facilitate her shitty brexit vision because the alternative is too terrifying to contemplate? 

The Tories can't get the deal through themselves, the ERG won't go for it with any form of backstop.

Labour will happily run the clock down too. Even the decent folk in Labour won't back May's deal. I still think someone will blink before 29th March. At some point the politics has to end and reality kick in.

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13 hours ago, NJS said:

Fair comment - but I still maintain he's in a hard position because of the split in labour voters. 

So he has just done what he has because he wants to win a GE, despite the consequences for the Country?

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On 1/30/2019 at 14:27, NJS said:

Didn't say you have to agree with their views - just saying it brings to mind the argument we've had on here in the past - if NL were so great, why do all these deindustrialised areas still feel like they've been betrayed over a longer term than this tory government? 

 

Blaming the EU is bollocks but perhaps they should ask why NL didn't exactly transform these areas either. 

Well it looks like Theresa May is trying to use Brexit to help those abandoned leave constituencies by essentially bribing their MPs with funding. This is fucking scandalous.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Alex said:

Can’t see me voting for anybody any time soon 

Me neither. I hate the lot of the cunts. Democracy? Idiocracy more like. 

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On 28/06/2018 at 15:49, Christmas Tree said:

 

Honestly, you are wrong on everything you say there. Nissan etc are interested in access to the SM and frictionless borders. That is what will be agreed and you will have wasted 2 years reading a lot of nonsense and taken a few years off your life.

 

As to your question, I’ve said several times on here that if Brexit lead to Nissan leaving it would not be worth it.

 

Hey @Christmas Tree , old buddy, old pal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-47102708

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The morons who work there and voted leave will find a way to tell themselves this isn’t their fault and that all the blame lies with the EU. 

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On 30/07/2018 at 13:38, Christmas Tree said:

Fuck me :lol:

 

Project fear 2.0 up and running and sending @Renton to his bunker.

 

Civil unrest

Troops on the street

food shortages

Super gonorrhoea 

 

Have we had word yet that BMW’s, Audi’s and champagne will run out.

 

Have a fucking word with yourselves you big Jessie’. You’ve all got Stockholm syndrome :lol:

 

 

So basically we’re just waiting for super gonorrhoea for a full house on the ‘Things CT was wrong about’ bingo.

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