ewerk 26168 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 There are Tories who will topple this government before they'll let no deal happen. A GE is my bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, ewerk said: There are Tories who will topple this government before they'll let no deal happen. A GE is my bet. It’s what I’ve felt is the likely outcome since the start. I thought you were in the PV camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Renton said: Anybody already beginning to regret May resigning? Johnson looks unstoppable despite, well everything. Hurtling towards a no deal Brexit now with the biggest cunt ever to placed as PM. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/keir-starmer-urges-mps-to-back-safety-valve-to-stop-no-deal-brexit That very thought crossed my mind today. I think she’ll be judged well in the future compared with what is about to come...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I think a PV is still possible but it’ll be preceded by a GE and only happens if the election goes the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 https://politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/11/don-t-start-pining-for-theresa-may-she-was-unspeakably-dire Never mind lamenting the resignation of May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It was eight Labour noe votes and eleven abstentions wot won it for the government. Fucking criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ewerk said: There are Tories who will topple this government before they'll let no deal happen. A GE is my bet. 13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s what I’ve felt is the likely outcome since the start. I thought you were in the PV camp Does Johnson as PM & no deal keep the Tory party largely together? From where I’m sat it does, they don’t need a vote to get that through Parliament,Johnson will be the pariah for the next decade of shit and the vast majority of rest of them will just carry on as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ewerk said: There are Tories who will topple this government before they'll let no deal happen. A GE is my bet. It's looking like there are labour MPs who will scupper that. Plus, have you seen the predicted polls of Johnson vs Corbyn if he is next PM? Maybe they're wrong but I've totally lost my faith in the English electorate. Time is now a huge issue too, we've almost run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It’s one thing to vote for Brexit but for a Labour MP to prop up the government in a vote of no confidence? That’s something different altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Does Johnson as PM & no deal keep the Tory party largely together? From where I’m sat it does, they don’t need a vote to get that through Parliament,Johnson will be the pariah for the next decade of shit and the vast majority of rest of them will just carry on as before. I can't see how. He is absolutely reviled by large numbers of his own parliamentary party (some of whom have said they will resign the whip) and they already don't have a functional majority. Plus he is hated by half the electorate. I fear really bad things happening, just not sure what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Does Johnson as PM & no deal keep the Tory party largely together? From where I’m sat it does, they don’t need a vote to get that through Parliament,Johnson will be the pariah for the next decade of shit and the vast majority of rest of them will just carry on as before. We’ve already heard it from several of the leadership candidates Brexit is now about keeping the Conservative party in existence, it’s no longer about the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: We’ve already heard it from several of the leadership candidates Brexit is now about keeping the Conservative party in existence, it’s no longer about the country. They're going down and taking the country with them. I've run out of expletives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: We’ve already heard it from several of the leadership candidates Brexit is now about keeping the Conservative party in existence, it’s no longer about the country. Its been about that since it dawned on them that NI/the backstop stops Brexit. Mays deal delivered an end to FoM, I think she thought most English MPs would settle for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Renton said: I can't see how. He is absolutely reviled by large numbers of his own parliamentary party (some of whom have said they will resign the whip) and they already don't have a functional majority. Plus he is hated by half the electorate. I fear really bad things happening, just not sure what. I just think most are just suing for peace now. That’s why Johnson’s favourite. They can say “we delivered the referendum result” then blame him for the horror show to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I think there's JUST enough sensible heads there to stop that happening. No deal has been howked when it's been put to the vote. If Johnson is genuinely threatening no deal, they'll not stand for it. I also question whether Johnson would really go for it when it came to the crunch. He's an awful cunt but he's not Steve Baker level insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I think there's JUST enough sensible heads there to stop that happening. No deal has been howked when it's been put to the vote. If Johnson is genuinely threatening no deal, they'll not stand for it. I also question whether Johnson would really go for it when it came to the crunch. He's an awful cunt but he's not Steve Baker level insane. That's what I thought but then he appears to have boxed himself in regarding that. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 He’ll just pretend he never said it, straight out of the Trump playbook of populist politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Aye, this probably won't be the one time he tells the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 @Christmas Tree You asked me a number of months ago what the issues were with the NI border and why it checks would be difficult. These guys in this Twitter thread provide some explanation of the difficulties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Compromise is dead. The age of appeasement must be over. https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/14/a-country-of-purists-the-polling-which-lays-bare-the-death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, ewerk said: Compromise is dead. The age of appeasement must be over. https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/14/a-country-of-purists-the-polling-which-lays-bare-the-death The remain side was more than willing to compromise early on. It's the hard Brexiters who squandered that opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The remain side was more than willing to compromise early on. It's the hard Brexiters who squandered that opportunity. May's deal was an extremely hard Brexit. Out of the CU and SM, and end to FOM. Wasn't enough for the small minority of head bangers who are driving us off the cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Well for all intents and purposes it was to remain in the CU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17606 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Only for as long as the DUP were needed. Edited June 14, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yep, he's a snake alright. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48631116?fbclid=IwAR0TW7cy_QcgOtG6l-uDQEVlG29t0MAlxw_VW_HGMtvbbK2t0fq1ntTZ2r8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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