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I wonder, probably more with desperate hope than anything else, if the EU have privately acknowledged that they would be willing to compromise on something small, and that Johnson has asked them to tee him up for a bit of grandstanding in order to sell it on the home front.

 

Barnier travels to London tomorrow, agrees something minor, Boris gets to claim that the EU came grovelling back to the door and he had them over a barrel as the great mastermind he is, no one cares about the details, the EU go home happy to have gotten everything they wanted minus one very small thing, and the UK believes the whole thing was an example of British strength.

 

That's the only play I can imagine.

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23 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Cameron starting all of this in the first place was one of the greatest acts of incompetence that I've ever witnessed, politically speaking. Including everything Chris Grayling has ever done.

 

Boris has only been PM for about 18 months, he hadn't racked up a fiasco quite on that level (IMO) in that time - even with COVID which, again, is at least partially at Cameron's door for underfunding the NHS for a decade anyway. He now has. I cannot imagine ever again in British history will an elected official do as much damage to the country as Johnson has now managed, even allowing for Cameron having ultimately started it.

Depending on your definition of Britain that might not be very long.

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2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

I wonder, probably more with desperate hope than anything else, if the EU have privately acknowledged that they would be willing to compromise on something small, and that Johnson has asked them to tee him up for a bit of grandstanding in order to sell it on the home front.

 

Barnier travels to London tomorrow, agrees something minor, Boris gets to claim that the EU came grovelling back to the door and he had them over a barrel as the great mastermind he is, no one cares about the details, the EU go home happy to have gotten everything they wanted minus one very small thing, and the UK believes the whole thing was an example of British strength.

 

That's the only play I can imagine.

 

A Canada deal is shit for us man. Why are you hoping for something that will do fuck all for us but that Johnson can sell as a win? I think the best thing for this country is to suffer a disaster unfortunately. 

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Even then it fucks the ones who sell most of their catch to Spain, France etc. It’s just another ridiculous attempt to look like we’re being strong / taking back control. Plus fishing has changed loads since the heyday of places like Hull. And most people wouldn’t want the jobs anyway. Other than that it makes perfect sense 

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I think their probably are some genuine grievances in the fishing industry against the EU. Most is misdirected though as nobody forced us to sell our quotas like we did everything else under Thatcher. We should have fought our corner from within, but Farage missed 95% of his fishing meetings. Brexit without a deal won't help the fishing industry one jot, it will destroy it. And take down our services, manufacturing,  and agriculture with it. For the sake of 0.1% GDP. 

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16 hours ago, Renton said:

 

A Canada deal is shit for us man. Why are you hoping for something that will do fuck all for us but that Johnson can sell as a win? I think the best thing for this country is to suffer a disaster unfortunately. 

 

I don't I guess, maybe you're right.

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My only hope now is that big business makes a success of the no deal in spite of the government and certainly not because of it, Engineering in the North East is pretty healthy just now (god knows how) and it would be a criminal act to spoil that so Boris looks hard.

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Listening to a government propaganda ad on the radio this morning, telling business to get ready and that there was lots to do but not much time. How can anyone think this was a good idea? None of this would have been necessary had people just ticked remain. And nobody gave a shit about the EU before the ERG stoked up the gammons.

 

At best this is loads of hassle for no advantage, at worst its an existential threat for where industry and service that exports to the EU. I honestly can't see how its not the latter. 

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It's done now either way though. May as well just see where it takes us.

 

Quite looking forward to the independent Scotland moment tbf. 58% of Scots now want out according to a poll yesterday.

 

At some point it will hit a number that will be hard for Westminster to ignore. I personally think we're about 2% off that.

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1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

It's done now either way though. May as well just see where it takes us.

 

Quite looking forward to the independent Scotland moment tbf. 58% of Scots now want out according to a poll yesterday.

 

At some point it will hit a number that will be hard for Westminster to ignore. I personally think we're about 2% off that.

 

 A disastrous Brexit will add at least 10%.

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34 minutes ago, Alex said:

It’s almost like we’ll no longer have the same freedom of movement as before. How fucking weird 

Aye, I love how the sun are spinning it as an EU ban. It’s nothing of the sort - you fuckers campaigned for this. 

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On 20/10/2020 at 14:19, PaddockLad said:

 

It’s kind of ironic that the unelected house, which people ( myself included) have been trying to abolish for years, turns out to be the voice of reason in these fucked up times. 
 

 

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17 hours ago, Alex said:

No doubt in another brilliant bit of foresight from our government they were counting on a Trump victory. 

Which frankly would probably have resulted in a much worse deal than they may actually get from Biden.

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