Ferguson to retire at the end of the season - David Moyes replaces him.

[Howmanheyman 26606]

Bill Kenwright sounds close to tears.

You'd never know he was a Thespian, like, would you daaarling.

[scoobos 297]

I like Moyes and , unfortunately, think he'll do very well under alex's training . I reckon thats the deal, Fergie isn't leaving the club, just taking a step back.

[Tooj 17]

Proper scouse scally on SSN now.

[Dr Gloom 19736]

I like Moyes and , unfortunately, think he'll do very well under alex's training . I reckon thats the deal, Fergie isn't leaving the club, just taking a step back.

 

director of football? they don't often work do they? if it is going to work, better someone like moyes, who hasn't done it at that level before, than a mourinho type, that is less likely to fancy it.

 

it'll be interesting to see the response from moyes when he's asked what sir alex made of his subs his first defeat.

[ewerk 26176]

director of football?

 

Nah, he'll be a board member and club ambassador. Pretty much what Bobby Charlton does now but he'll be able to exert more influence should he choose to.

[Dr Gloom 19736]

Nah, he'll be a board member and club ambassador. Pretty much what Bobby Charlton does now but he'll be able to exert more influence should he choose to.

 

i doubt he'll be as hands on as a traditional dof but he'll definitely be having a bigger say than your typical bobby charlton type ambassador.

 

you can just imagine the line of questioning and the media frenzy when he was his first run of bad results, with such an influential figure as a backseat driver.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

What does Howard Webb think of the appointment.

[luckyluke 1]

Youd think that after 26 years and being in his seventies Fergie would actually want to retire rather than still having ongoing responsibility with the club

[Happy Face 29]

Former Everton midfielder Tim Cahill, who joined New York Red Bulls last year, says of David Moyes succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson: "You look at any other manager in the world I think, other than Pep Guardiola, there's only one man on the list and that's David Moyes that would suit a club like Manchester United."

 

 

That'll be why Man U fans are gutted then.

[Happy Face 29]

Moyes 2004...

 

 

Moyes urges Rooney to stay

 

 

Everton manager David Moyes has urged Wayne Rooney to take up the club's offer of a new five-year contract.

 

"Hopefully Wayne and his advisers feel this is the right place for his continued development.

 

"Wayne's a great young player and one day he might be one of the best in the world.

 

"Everton is one of the biggest clubs in the land, isn't it?"

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/3875747.stm

 

No David, it wasn't and isn't. That's why you're fucking off when the big boys come calling too.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

Newcastle almost convinced Alex Ferguson to leave Manchester United for Tyneside!

 

 

Amid all the salutes to the departing Ferguson over the past week one hugely significant story, which could have changed Old Trafford history, has remained under the radar.

 

The Sunday Mirror can reveal for the first time that Newcastle United were close to prising Ferguson away from Old Trafford in May 1996, towards the end of the season when the Eric Cantona-inspired Reds pipped Kevin Keegan’s Magpies to the title.

 

The Newcastle board were alarmed by the inner torment that gripped Keegan after Ferguson won the showdown with Keegan in the run-in, sparking Keegan’s infamous “I’d love it if we beat them” TV rant after a victory at Leeds.

 

Keegan tendered his resignation as his Newcastle team prepared for a vital showdown against QPR with SEVEN games remaining. That move came a few days after Toon’s famous 4-3 defeat at Liverpool.

 

Keegan was persuaded to stay but indicated again that he would leave after the final game of the season, the day Ferguson’s side clinched their third Premier League title at Middlesbrough.

 

But long before that Newcastle- through the connections of their Glaswegian chief executive Freddie Fletcher- had become aware that Ferguson was unhappy that the Old Trafford board were dragging their heels over offering him a new improved contract.

 

Fergie was furious, but chose his words diplomatically when discussing the tense stand-off with a national newspaper reporter. “I want to stay here. I’ve been waiting to see what the chairman is going to do and I am still waiting,” he said.

 

Newcastle, alerted to the delicate situation and the fact that Ferguson was far from the top earner in the Premier League, decided to launch an audacious and top-secret bid to make their nemesis an offer he couldn’t refuse.

 

The Magpies willingness to replace the floundering Keegan with Ferguson and make him the first £1million-a-year manager in the Premier League was relayed to the Scot.

 

There was also interest from the Republic of Ireland and from England headhunter Jimmy Armfield, tasked with finding someone to replace Terry Venables after Euro 1996.

 

Newcastle had the financial clout to blow away the interest of the international outfits and the proud Scot quipped at the time: “Can you really see me with three Lions on my chest?”

 

Newcastle were serious. And there was no way Fergie regarded Newcastle as “a wee club in the North-East” back then.

 

In the countdown to the Cup Final the political landscape at Old Trafford worsened. On the eve of the game Fergie had a heated discussion with Maurice Watkins, the lawyer and United director. Newcastle were convinced there was a strong chance they could get their man.

 

Fergie admitted in his autobiography Managing My Life: “I was absolutely disgusted... It got to the point where I was not prepared to be ridiculed and felt that on a matter of principle I might have to resign.”

 

But Newcastle’s hopes of getting their man were dashed. A domestic Double sparked United to offer Ferguson a new four-year deal worth £650,000 a-year plus bonuses.

 

Newcastle were devastated. Their reaction was to offer Keegan a pay rise and a new two-year deal.

 

They shelled out a world record £15m in July 1996 to buy Alan Shearer from Blackburn.

 

Ferguson may have lost out financially by not moving to Newcastle in 1996 but his decision to stay at Old Trafford rewarded him with the legendary status that goes with becoming the most successful football manager in British history.

 

And Newcastle and the rest of the Premier League were left to wonder what might have been if Fergie had hit the Toon in 1996.

 

By Brian McNally | 11 May 2013 22:30

 

[aimaad22 3418]

[Tooj 17]

Ranks up there with Keegan apparently turning down the chance to sign Zidane.

[Rayvin 4949]

That is staggering...

[Tom 13809]

We still would have won nowt.

[Gemmill 34167]

Next time you post an article like that, could you put the By Brian McNally bit at the top so I know not to bother.

[Tom 13809]

Unless it's an article on pies.

[Brock Manson 0]

What an unmitigated crock of shite.

[Asprilla 96]

I can believe he was approached but the idea that he was tempted is laughable.

[ohhh_yeah 2761]

Fans of Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle – you name the club and they’ve all suffered at the hands of the Manchester United Referee Conspiracy. This season Man U were the only team not to have a player sent off or a penalty given against them. That’s just this season – there’s plenty more proof out there…

 

After I wrote my last piece, on Manchester United’s relationship with the FA, I was taken aback by the response I had. I suggest to people who haven’t read it to jump to that post now as it gives a lot of background on what we will look at in this article.

 

As stated in my previous post, the fortunes of the institutions surrounding football in the UK will be negatively hit should any proof of corruption come out. It is naturally in their interest not to investigate the matter. In fact, the managers that have come out and questioned the refereeing selection process (Rafa Benitez, Andre Villas Boas) have been turned into laughing stocks by the English press corps.

 

So, investigate some more I did. And some of the stuff I found out surprised even me.

 

During United’s title winning 2010/11 season, they only lost 4 league games. I looked at who refereed those games and how long they then spent without being assigned Manchester United games as well their subsequent trend of behavior towards United.

 

Michael Oliver took charge of their first defeat, the February 2011 2-1 loss at Wolves. He was not given another Manchester United game to referee until December 2011. Since then, Oliver has had 2 United games.

 

United have won both, with Oliver refusing to give a clear Fulham penalty in the 1-0 United win late last season at Old Trafford; a game came right at the end of the title race. A few months ago, Oliver gave United a penalty for a shocking dive by Danny Welbeck in the home win against Wigan.

 

The second game United lost was away to Chelsea. Martin Atkinson was the referee then and some of his decisions incurred the wrath of Alex Ferguson. Atkinson was not given another United game to referee for an ENTIRE YEAR.

 

Atkinson was further punished with his decisions that went against United that day. He was not given a single Premier League game to referee for a full month. Even worse, he was subsequently given 3 lower league games to referee that season- when he’d previously not officiated a single one that campaign.

 

It seems that Atkinson was given a clear message that day.

 

The 3rd United loss came at Anfield, where a Dirk Kuyt hat trick secured a 3-1 home win. The referee that day was Phil Dowd. He was criticized by Ferguson for not sending Jamie Carragher off. In the very next United game Dowd refereed, he gave them a penalty which secured a 1-1 draw at Blackburn and their 19th league title.

 

Giving United penalties in the very next game you referee for them after having been criticized is a trend we’ll soon notice.

 

The final United loss of the 2010/11 season came at the Emirates, where Chris Foy refereed a 1-0 Arsenal win. It will come to no surprise to people to know that Foy was subsequently not assigned a United league game for, again, AN ENTIRE YEAR.

 

He did however referee 2 United games in the cups during that time. The first was in the Carling Cup against Crystal Palace. He awarded United a penalty. The second was at Manchester City in the FA Cup. United got a penalty and Vincent Kompany was sent off early in the game.

 

To resume, we’ve just analyzed what happened to the 4 referees that officiated United’s 4 league losses in the 2010/11 season. 2 of them were not given any more United league games for a full year (Atkinson and Foy), a third for 9 months (Oliver). 2 of those referees gave United penalties in the very next game (Foy and Dowd) they took charge of and one refused to give a blatant one to the opponents (Oliver). Martin Atkinson, was not given Premier League games to officiate for an entire month and assigned to 3 lower league games.

 

I also looked at Mike Jones after prompting from the comments board. Jones refereed the 1-1 home draw with Newcastle last season and falsely awarded Demba Ba a penalty.

 

Subsequently, Jones was not given a single football game, at ANY level, to referee for an entire month. The next United game he was handed came a few months later, the 2-0 home win against Stoke which saw… You guessed it: 2 penalties awarded to Manchester United which, according to reports, were “very soft”.

 

How about Mark Halsey? Well, when he gave WBA a debatable penalty in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford in May 2005 it was his 5th United game that season. He then also went an ENTIRE YEAR without being given any United games to referee. From 5 games in a season to none for a year. His record since then? He’s refereed 11 Man Utd games which have seen 11 United wins: the latest coming at Anfield, where 3 controversial decisions went the away team’s way.

 

In terms of trends, considering what we discovered about Alan Wiley and Mark Clattenburg (whose record with no United games to referee now stands at 36 league games since he took charge of the 6-1 home loss to Manchester City), there’s enough to make you wonder what exactly is going on in the referee selection process. It also ties in perfectly with ex referee Jeff Winter’s comments about The FA being reticent to assign United games to referees Ferguson has criticized in the past.

 

The whole world revolves around incentives and punishment. From a young age, kids are brought up that way. Positive and negative reinforcement are at the very core of child psychology. You can’t blame people who are well aware of the punishment awaiting them (through the form of demotionsand suspension from future United games) if they’d rather go for the safe option of keeping Ferguson happy.

 

I don’t blame the referees.

 

The people I blame are the ones that are letting this happen. The media who have not uttered a peep or written a single article about this for 2 decades. The FA who run the game in this country and have allowed this situation to fester. The clubs who see no issue with having David Gill, United’s CEO, on the board of the FA. And of course, the PGMOB: the people who regulate officiating in England

 

The person at the head of the PGMOB and who is in charge of selecting which referee gets handed which game is Mike Riley, an ex professional referee who is most famous for giving a penalty for a clear dive by Wayne Rooney in the 2004 Man United 2-0 win against Arsenal which ended the Gunners 49 game unbeaten streak.

 

Riley was accused of pro United favoritism throughout his career. For younger readers, he’s my generation’s Howard Webb.

 

According to the Guardian’s research, which goes to back to the beginning of the 1997-98 season until 2004, “Riley refereed 23 United games in all competitions and gave 12 penalties for United in that time, but only three against them. And he has sent off five of United’s opponents.

 

At Old Trafford, Riley’s record is weighted even more heavily in favor of United: He gave 10 penalties in the 14 games he officiated to the home side, Manchester United.

 

Riley’s bias was so suspected than when was awarded the Everton vs Man Utd FA Cup semi final to officiate in 2009, David Moyes actually called for an investigation on whether Riley was a United supporter.

 

This is the man who now decides which premier league games to assign to referees.

 

Add that to everything we’ve found out: the year long waits for referees who take charge of United losses to be given another United game to officiate, the penalties that are given to United in said referees next United games, the punishment for making mistakes that cost United points (Atkinson’s month long suspension from premier league games, Jones’ 1 month suspension from ALL PROFESSIONAL games), the comments from ex referee Jeff Winter (see my previous post), the fact that 18% of Howard Webb’s career penalties have gone to Manchester United,the retirement of Alain Wiley after being called unfit by Alex Ferguson and, of course, the presence of David Gill inside the FA and surely there’s enough there for some investigative journalist in the UK to actually look more into this.

 

If only to put the millions of football fans’ across the world’s minds at ease.

 

Because we could all be wrong and all of this may just be a set of freakish coincidences. Maybe English football is squeaky clean like they make us believe and the referee selection process is completely unbiased.

 

Maybe we’re just paranoid…

 

Or maybe not… Chris Foy failed to give Manchester United a penalty in their 3-2 loss to Spurs this season. The PGMOB did not handed Foy a Premier League game to referee the next weekend: instead, officiated in League 2 for the first time in more than 4 years.

 

Mike Jones meanwhile, who missed a blatant penalty on Luis Suarez at Norwich the same weekend, took charge of West Brom vs QPR in the Premier League. Finally, Howard Webb (who sent off Jordi Gomez; a red card rescinded by the FA) took charge of Newcastle’s home game against Manchester United.

 

Why did Foy’s errors lead to his demotion to the lowest professional league in England while Webb’s and Jones’ mistakes didn’t cost them?

 

I guess we all know the answer to that question…

[Monroe Transfer 0]

That's the sort of article that could do with the source for context's sake.

[Howay 12447]

Interesting article tbh, it'd be good to see a similar thing about all the top sides for comparison and even Man city before money to Man city after money. It's been said a lot of how Ferguson creates an intimidating atmosphere for officials so that no doubt affects things, add in the fan pressure at Old Trafford compared to that of the DW stadium and that no doubt plays its part.

The most interesting point it raises for me is the officials losing games for 'poor' decisions against Man Utd, did the ref lose any games for the Mcmanaman shocker? or even the linesman? and they had an absolute shocker of a game.

[ohhh_yeah 2761]

That's the sort of article that could do with the source for context's sake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@dimmybad

 

 

http://diminbeirut.typepad.com/my-blog/2012/10/corruption-and-influence-peddling-in-the-english-game.html

[The Fish 8949]

I'm going to guess that the author is a Liverpool fan.

[luckyluke 1]

He may well be he's only stating facts. You obviously need to compare the gaps officating Man Utd games those referees had to the gaps that Webb and the rest have to see if that's just normal varience, but it looks quite damning evidence.