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frankly starting to tell the club how they should run it on the pitch is a non starter & frankly we'd be insane trying to pull that one.

 

as regards the culture of the club, that's exactly something we're investigating; a basic guide to city, region & club history in 1 hr in english, french & spanish!!

 

your last statement is as good a summary of his actions over the last 6 years as i've read - and very concise too

 

 

Aye a much better idea imo, it's a lot easier to gain support for something that doesn't have a mob mentality, and when you start singling out people no matter how PR unfriendly they've been it can backfire.

Much better to concentrate on the plus points of the city/club/community and then how after being welcomed in they've taken advantage of it really.

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Aye a much better idea imo, it's a lot easier to gain support for something that doesn't have a mob mentality, and when you start singling out people no matter how PR unfriendly they've been it can backfire.

Much better to concentrate on the plus points of the city/club/community and then how after being welcomed in they've taken advantage of it really.

 

"speak softly & carry a big stick" is a good maxim.

 

the club is 121 years old & the sporting & cultural centre of our region; it's the glue that binds 90% of Geordies together.

 

there wasn't a single person there tonight who doesn't care deeply about the fate of our club.

 

opinions differ on tactics & approaches, but at the end of the day, we just want the best for Newcastle United.

 

night everyone

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And whose merit is less than that of bog roll, in Ashley's eyes.

 

Easy for me to say from over here and I appreciate the people who are trying to make something happen, but as long as the dosh keeps rolling in on match day, Ashley couldn't care less about resolutions, protests, coffins, FCB banners, or Kevin Keegan dangling from a helicopter over SJP exhorting the fans to revolt. Every replica shirt bought is a validation of his regime. And although some of you may be willing to boycott, there are many, many others who will continue to attend matches, buy his cheap tat, and implicitly support him with their wallets.

 

And why shouldn't they? Why should they be robbed of something they love, like going to the match, supporting the team in person, maybe taking the family, just because of our wideboy owner? But there's the dilemma - if our fans boycott Ashley, they lose out on the matchday experience. If they don't, they continue to support his extended and continuing pillaging of our club for profit.

 

That's the state of modern football, however. And no resolution will turn back the clock to the time before silly money entered the game.

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It does annoy me when people sit behind their computers telling our fans that these type of events are a waste of time. Denigrating the hard work of some supporters is hardly a brilliant use of a Monday night either.

 

Anyway, creating a forum for fans to meet and exchange ideas isn't a waste of time. These meetings don't need to be about doing something to fuck off the incumbent custodian, but can just be another way for supporters to socialise and, if it comes to it, mobilise. It doesn't need to be son of NUSC. It doesn't need to be a pressure group. All it needs to be is a base to build understanding, particularly among our support which is riven with gloomy back biters who struggle to reconcile their slightly differing views.

 

I hope the meetings continue as they have done. I hope fans and fan groups continue to talk to one another.

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well done; everyone else is concentrating on issues, but you have to try & have a little dig at me instead of focussing on 300 people who turned out on a Monday night because they're concerned about their football club.

 

congratulations on that; at the meeting i found i was by turns inspired, disappointed & enthused by people who i either largely agreed or largely disagreed with. however, not one of us found it necessary to sling an irrelevant personal dig at another fan.

You've changed your tune since you fucked off then. Personal digs were all the rage with you not so long since. Say, what grade was your degree again. . .? That's right, no one gives a shit.

 

Anyhoo, whilst I applaud the effort of fans to promote change within the club this is a well trodden path and has proved fruitless before. Not sure why now would be any different. Ashley couldn't give a flying fuck about the fans, regardless of how many groups are set up or how many meetings Joe Kinnears OAP cronies attend. I truly believe the only thing that will work is for fans to stop going to games. The problem with most fans on the direct debit scheme is we've already paid hundreds of pounds towards next seasons ticket. Although I get the feeling the payments are timed this way for that very reason

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I do applaud anyone taking the time out of their day to day to organise or attend such an event. I'd say I was awash with apathy and dont see much further than the equivalent of a mouse trapped in a bucket trying to get out. No one will really take notice. Any "Mike Ashley Out" type action just makes me cringe tbh. All he will do is say "fuck them" and make things worse. The fans were right saying "he dont care about me". I do think these meetings could grow to me useful, but I'd think more about working with the club than against them. Sure, if 45000 fans turned their back or waved hankies etc they might take notice. But its typically 1,000. Then you get the kids join in and it turned in to an abusive farce. Shame.

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And whose merit is less than that of bog roll, in Ashley's eyes.

 

Easy for me to say from over here and I appreciate the people who are trying to make something happen, but as long as the dosh keeps rolling in on match day, Ashley couldn't care less about resolutions, protests, coffins, FCB banners, or Kevin Keegan dangling from a helicopter over SJP exhorting the fans to revolt. Every replica shirt bought is a validation of his regime. And although some of you may be willing to boycott, there are many, many others who will continue to attend matches, buy his cheap tat, and implicitly support him with their wallets.

 

And why shouldn't they? Why should they be robbed of something they love, like going to the match, supporting the team in person, maybe taking the family, just because of our wideboy owner? But there's the dilemma - if our fans boycott Ashley, they lose out on the matchday experience. If they don't, they continue to support his extended and continuing pillaging of our club for profit.

 

That's the state of modern football, however. And no resolution will turn back the clock to the time before silly money entered the game.

and you're right, sadly, but a number of us feel that it is worth trying to make him see that there is a large groundswell of dissatisfaction with his ownership.

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It does annoy me when people sit behind their computers telling our fans that these type of events are a waste of time. Denigrating the hard work of some supporters is hardly a brilliant use of a Monday night either.

 

Anyway, creating a forum for fans to meet and exchange ideas isn't a waste of time. These meetings don't need to be about doing something to fuck off the incumbent custodian, but can just be another way for supporters to socialise and, if it comes to it, mobilise. It doesn't need to be son of NUSC. It doesn't need to be a pressure group. All it needs to be is a base to build understanding, particularly among our support which is riven with gloomy back biters who struggle to reconcile their slightly differing views.

 

I hope the meetings continue as they have done. I hope fans and fan groups continue to talk to one another.

 

 

excellent post; agree with every syllable

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You've changed your tune since you fucked off then. Personal digs were all the rage with you not so long since. Say, what grade was your degree again. . .? That's right, no one gives a shit.

 

Anyhoo, whilst I applaud the effort of fans to promote change within the club this is a well trodden path and has proved fruitless before. Not sure why now would be any different. Ashley couldn't give a flying fuck about the fans, regardless of how many groups are set up or how many meetings Joe Kinnears OAP cronies attend. I truly believe the only thing that will work is for fans to stop going to games. The problem with most fans on the direct debit scheme is we've already paid hundreds of pounds towards next seasons ticket. Although I get the feeling the payments are timed this way for that very reason

i'm unsure what relevance your first four sentences have to this debate, so will not comment on them.

 

if you have a strong opinion about the club & feel your opinion about the way forward is a valid one, why not get involved in Newcastle Fans United? you'll find it to be a very broad based organisation & the easiest way in which to communicate directly with club functionaries. i'll post details of the next meeting on here.

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I do applaud anyone taking the time out of their day to day to organise or attend such an event. I'd say I was awash with apathy and dont see much further than the equivalent of a mouse trapped in a bucket trying to get out. No one will really take notice. Any "Mike Ashley Out" type action just makes me cringe tbh. All he will do is say "fuck them" and make things worse. The fans were right saying "he dont care about me". I do think these meetings could grow to me useful, but I'd think more about working with the club than against them. Sure, if 45000 fans turned their back or waved hankies etc they might take notice. But its typically 1,000. Then you get the kids join in and it turned in to an abusive farce. Shame.

 

get involved with us & help to make communication with the club more of a reality than a pipedream. also, it increases the numbers of those participating in meaningful dialogue. the more people get involved, the more marginalised radical opinion becomes, as a picture of the proper consensus emerges

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As I said many moons ago all this energy should be focused on setting up a proper supporters club. It's a shame for a club of this age, size and tradition not to have the sort of set up like "the pub" at Arsenal.

 

Ashley's, Shepherds, McCeags etc will all come and go.

 

These protest type set ups always seem to throw too many militant egos to the fore leading to negative fruitless action.

 

Forget Ashley, Buy a pub.

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There's a superb article about last night's meeting in "The Journal" by Mark Douglas; it highlights the successes & failures of the meeting, shows the positive aspects of fans coming together & points out what has to be done. NIce to see a journalist other than George Culkin with sympathy for our organised support

 

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/06/25/passion-but-anger-as-well-61634-33521653/

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I think that's it PL.

 

Just seems such a professional, positive, social supporters club and exactly what we should have.

 

I'm sure the financials of leasing somewhere and running it would be very doable. It would withstand various custodians of the club and be able to pass comment on issues of the day even though it may never have any power to change events.

 

Much more likely to improve day to day issues for fans by positive interaction rather than confrontation.

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As far as the critiscm of "it doesn't work to do this" etc. I'd say it's a poor attitude to have, but its a very British attitude.

 

What we should be saying is "If at first we don't succeed we'll try and try again" - guys like Ashley are usually egotistical and used to getting their own way, if we can just find the achilles heel and demonstrate properly I believe something could be done.

 

Same thing as these 500,000 that went to London in protest of the Iraq war - if they really wanted to do something they could - no one and I mean no one will get shot in the UK during a protest and 500,000 people are impossible to control. All it would have taken would be a blockade of the houses of parliament, or even an incursion into the halls themselves with a "we shall not be moved".

 

But nah, although we protest, we protest with a limp wrist.

 

I have no doubt that if we sustained a protest at St James that was on the media, with all the fans outside and not in - we'd hit the news for weeks and pressure the guy to sell, which he keeps saying he wants to, but never actually does.

 

I commend anyone who puts the time in, and its good for the community too - better than just writing on a forum. I wasn't there I must add, I live in Surrey at the moment, Cayman Islands soon :/ (but strong toon following in Cayman)

 

My 2 cents of course - Freedom to Tooting!

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He wouldn't give a monkeys if we waved hankies, sang a song, built an effigy or milked a cow.

 

As long as Newcastle United are a Premier League football club, his "ambition" is satisfied.

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So say ST holders decreased by a third or even halved....what actual effect would this have?...theres a few on here that advocate that sort of thing as the only action he would take notice of. What do they feel would be the outcome of a pretty stiff boycott?...does he truly need maximum gate receipts to survive in the premier league?..

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