Park Life 70 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) . So it is Trump then. Yeah by default. He's outgunned by the State Dept, the intelligence services (with budgets to maintain) and the long term interests of the deep state (Balkanisation). There is delusion of such proportions at play it is truly frightening. Edited April 12, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Given everything Clinton has said about putting Russia back in their box, I just don't think that's a supportable statement. You're basing this entirely on your 'feeling' that Trump is more likely to take us to war. To say again, as I note it has been entirely unanswered previously, as usual, Trump's response in Syria was less severe than what Clinton was calling for. Which was for all of his airbases to be destroyed. How do you think Russia would have responded to that, exactly? What she's said out of power and without advisors isn't relevant. The experts I referred to were concerned about the clash of personalities between Trump and Putin. Neither can back down. If you honestly believe the world is a safer place under Trump, it will just have to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 What she's said out of power and without advisors isn't relevant. The experts I referred to were concerned about the clash of personalities between Trump and Putin. Neither can back down. If you honestly believe the world is a safer place under Trump, it will just have to . I see So you think Clinton would have backed down in the face of Putin's alpha male persona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Syrius stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Clinton would have been busy with brinkmanship and no fly zones from the get go. Both as bad as each other. McCain and the like seem to think Russia will back down. I don't think Putin is enjoying this btw. He put heavy faith in a peace process and looking like an international statesmen, and Trump has prevented him from being able to do this now. Given that the Russians thought Trump was going to be a good thing for them, it seems clear that Trump is to Russia what Putin was to the West. An initially positive development that turned sour very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I mean you can see how clueless they are sending the fleet to N. Korea. N.K. aren't going to fight the fleet they will nuke South Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I don't think Putin is enjoying this btw. He put heavy faith in a peace process and looking like an international statesmen, and Trump has prevented him from being able to do this now. Given that the Russians thought Trump was going to be a good thing for them, it seems clear that Trump is to Russia what Putin was to the West. An initially positive development that turned sour very quickly. They might have said all that shit but they didn't believe it. Russia knows the Neo-Cons still hold sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I see So you think Clinton would have backed down in the face of Putin's alpha male persona? Yes. She would have used diplomatic or economic approaches. Russia is an economic dwarf with a struggling economy. It's dangerous though because of its nuclear arsenal. Has Trump reassured you about the nuclear arms race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 parky, you don't honestly still think a clinton administration was a bigger threat to global security than trump, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 No, Trump's comments on the arms race were absolutely absurd. Economic sanctions on Russia, and 'diplomatic measures' against them, such as destabilising key allies, are what brought us to this point IMO. The Russian economy is struggling, of course, because of the US. The real question here, IMO, is why the West is so hellbent on provoking Russia at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 parky, you don't honestly still think a clinton administration was a bigger threat to global security than trump, do you? It's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 No, Trump's comments on the arms race were absolutely absurd. Economic sanctions on Russia, and 'diplomatic measures' against them, such as destabilising key allies, are what brought us to this point IMO. The Russian economy is struggling, of course, because of the US. The real question here, IMO, is why the West is so hellbent on provoking Russia at all. They are angry they the plan to bite off Ukraine failed and the ongoing Balkanisation of the ME is on hold. The plan is for pipelines to bring gas and oil through Syria to undercut Russian supplies to Europe and push Russia closer to financial jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) This is what was circulated in Washington as the impact site of the chem attack. Reuters: Edited April 13, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 And your analysis of that photo is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26176 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The potholes in Khan Shaykhun are bloody dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) And your analysis of that photo is...? Looks like the kind of pipe/tube debris from rocket artillery rather than a bomb dropped from a plane. Also it looks like it has been flattened rather than 'exploded' which has ruptured one end suggesting another explosive device was used to breach it. Obviously I'm not an expert but it looks dodgy. At least last time James Clapper had the good sense to tell Obama that they couldn't be sure. Would it be difficult for Al Nusra to co-ordinate the explosion with a Syrian air strike? Edited April 13, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Looks like Trump and Co. don't really care about verification as long as short term political goals can be achieved. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/66712.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Looks like the kind of pipe/tube debris from rocket artillery rather than a bomb dropped from a plane. Also it looks like it has been flattened rather than 'exploded' which has ruptured one end suggesting another explosive device was used to breach it. Obviously I'm not an expert but it looks dodgy. At least last time James Clapper had the good sense to tell Obama that they couldn't be sure. Would it be difficult for Al Nusra to co-ordinate the explosion with a Syrian air strike? Fair enough - I don't suppose we're ever going to hear the truth of this, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 It's getting worse over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/russia-us-un-security-council-syria-douma-attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5887 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 So it looks like we are going to war with Syria. Worked out well with Iraq and Afghanistan. Parkys mates reckon these biological attacks are false flags to gather public support for a war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26176 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm not sure we're going to be seeing boots on the ground any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I think we're all going to need Factor 2,000,000 Ambre Solaire to be honest. Nightmare this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 You off on holiday? Anywhere nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Guam seems like a decent option atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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