Christmas Tree 3997 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 without a doubt. i think only CT genuinely thinks it's an option. it's a no brainer - you play your best players. Have you read others comments? Not to mention that he was dropped in the last away game. Hardly revolutionary thinking ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4198 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ben Arfa has to be ahead of Cisse. Cisse has done nothing all season and doesn't warrant starting the game over Ben Arfa, who has been hot and cold this season, whereas Cisse's been freezing caad, these past few months. Finally though it's good to be able to have to make this choice instead of being forced into it through injury and suspensions.  gouffran left, HBA right, Remy through the middle for me if we're leaving out Cisse  Debuchy will be less exposed against these even without protection from his winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 http://moderndaydoilum.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/mackems-and-sunderland-afc/ Â My latest blog ahead of the derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8973 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 is there a "gone fishing" for this fixture fish? might make for some interesting replies What's the point? they never answer the questions, just smash their 6 fingers against the keyboard until it types out "Fuck Off" and then congratulate each-other on their witty replies. Â If enough people think I should give it a go, I will, but I'd not expect anything but "hilarious" replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12452 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Have to agree with Fish here like, the last one was a joke they were all just drooling and mashing the keyboards at their community library. Waste of time tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 To be fair - regarding Ben Arfa his last two starts have seen him adopt fairly alien positions. Obviously he played as a false nine the once before - against Anzhi IIRC - & he got into it well enough - but missed a match winning chance. On Saturday he helped the midfield a lot & that's where our first half battle was won - so whilst unspectacular I wouldn't say he was terrible. I was expecting more but I'd forgotten about Liverpool's 3 centre halves. The threats were always going to be down the wing & Pardew went for a conservative choice in Gouffran - as he tracks back like a mad man & gets forward just as well. As long as the goals are coming from somewhere it doesn't really matter but for me Hatem was a better choice than Cisse because he can barely even hold it up these days.  Against Everton he was terrible - but he was on the left against a good full back. That was pretty much always going to happen. Hull - of course did a good job to neutralise him - but as I brought up before we can still carry a threat on the other flank with Remy. Which is the benefit of having a couple of good attackers. Of course their 4-4-2 was also fairly effective - as well as the fact we pretty much switched off.  I think it' a little too early to say he's uninterested or out of form. For me the question is - will Pardew choose to have his best players on the pitch or will he sacrifice them for the system? (which relies on the wide forwards & fb's overlapping, helping each other)  Personally I'd rather start with a front 3 of -  Remy - Gouffran - Ben Arfa  and I think that'll do the trick as it's probably our most threatening - obviously if Cisse wasn't mid drought he'd be up top.  Though it's a funny one because Sunderland, offensively at least are fairly strong on the wings so we'll need a degree of discipline & if we do get caught on the break don't let Adam Johnson on his left because I'm fairly tired of seeing him score the same goal past us again and again.  You'd like to think we can keep the ball & frustrate them, get the ball to the wide men & torture their full backs. They're low on confidence so a goal may be the catalyst for victory as the belief simply isn't there - judging by their complete capitulation at Swansea anyway. So it'll be unlike the past couple of times we've been there.  Regardless of whether their heads drop I'd like to think we're good enough. They do have an ok set of players who at times have put some energetic performances in even against decent teams but they've took nothing from these games which is why they're heads drop.  They'll be up for this no doubt but I'd like to think the changes Poyet will want to introduce will take too long* to have any effect & if they do are they really good enough to play that way? I can't remember a Sunderland side that wasn't crudely direct. So playing from the back can initially lead a team like that straight into trouble.  (*which can obviously be seen in our own transition from playing the ball in the sky to on the deck)  As much as we are weak at centre half I think they'll have more to worry about. They'll have motivation to get their season kicked off & perhaps save the club from relegation - but I can't see that ''playing for your place'' has much relevance with the lads at Sunderland any more.  For me if we win the battle in midfield & seize control of the game we'll win the match - and the man to marshall that is Yohan Cabaye.  Their centre midfield pairing should consist of Gardner & Cattermole - so long as we're disciplined - we should better that - though Tiote will have to keep cool. Hopefully we go at them from the first whistle - because whilst our 2-2 draw inspires confidence - they will be shitting themselves.  Fairly random waffle there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) How would anyone set the midfield up? Edited October 22, 2013 by desmondTUTU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd have Tiote behind Cabaye & Sissoko - same as last time basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 i was going to go for tiote but thought i might get shot down after he got sent off last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't think it was a sending off - it was a 50/50 for me - as Fletcher put the boot in just as bad. Latter in the game there were other incidents that we're pretty much ignored too - Shola took a kick in the face etc. Â However he's calmed down on that front - well it appears that way - one card in his last seven? Â We only want to see Tiote doing the simple things anyway, breaking up the play, winning the ball back & giving it to somebody to start the attack - like Sissoko etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 and the defence will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I think the only change will be Taylor for Yanga-Mbiwa. (if Taylor isn't fit Dummett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 699 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Santon, Dummett, Williamson, Debuchy. Â Colo to replace Dummett if fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 699 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd be happy with Taylor never playing another game for us again. Williamson is an honest pro who is a limited player but doesn't try to be something he's not. Taylor is a disaster waiting to happen. You never know what you're going to get with him and derbies are simply not games to play "maverick" (read: fucking insane) players like him, especially in the centre of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I rate Dummett highly - but I wouldn't want to throw him in the deep end if Taylor is fit and I don't think Pardew will either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19768 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Have you read others comments? Not to mention that he was dropped in the last away game. Hardly revolutionary thinking ! Yeah, and you're the only one saying it's some big choice to make. It isn't. He starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I'd stick with Dummett after his performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 To be fair - regarding Ben Arfa his last two starts have seen him adopt fairly alien positions. Obviously he played as a false nine the once before - against Anzhi IIRC - & he got into it well enough - but missed a match winning chance. On Saturday he helped the midfield a lot & that's where our first half battle was won - so whilst unspectacular I wouldn't say he was terrible. I was expecting more but I'd forgotten about Liverpool's 3 centre halves. The threats were always going to be down the wing & Pardew went for a conservative choice in Gouffran - as he tracks back like a mad man & gets forward just as well. As long as the goals are coming from somewhere it doesn't really matter but for me Hatem was a better choice than Cisse because he can barely even hold it up these days.  Against Everton he was terrible - but he was on the left against a good full back. That was pretty much always going to happen. Hull - of course did a good job to neutralise him - but as I brought up before we can still carry a threat on the other flank with Remy. Which is the benefit of having a couple of good attackers. Of course their 4-4-2 was also fairly effective - as well as the fact we pretty much switched off.  I think it' a little too early to say he's uninterested or out of form. For me the question is - will Pardew choose to have his best players on the pitch or will he sacrifice them for the system? (which relies on the wide forwards & fb's overlapping, helping each other)  Personally I'd rather start with a front 3 of -  Remy - Gouffran - Ben Arfa  and I think that'll do the trick as it's probably our most threatening - obviously if Cisse wasn't mid drought he'd be up top.  Though it's a funny one because Sunderland, offensively at least are fairly strong on the wings so we'll need a degree of discipline & if we do get caught on the break don't let Adam Johnson on his left because I'm fairly tired of seeing him score the same goal past us again and again.  You'd like to think we can keep the ball & frustrate them, get the ball to the wide men & torture their full backs. They're low on confidence so a goal may be the catalyst for victory as the belief simply isn't there - judging by their complete capitulation at Swansea anyway. So it'll be unlike the past couple of times we've been there.  Regardless of whether their heads drop I'd like to think we're good enough. They do have an ok set of players who at times have put some energetic performances in even against decent teams but they've took nothing from these games which is why they're heads drop.  They'll be up for this no doubt but I'd like to think the changes Poyet will want to introduce will take too long* to have any effect & if they do are they really good enough to play that way? I can't remember a Sunderland side that wasn't crudely direct. So playing from the back can initially lead a team like that straight into trouble.  (*which can obviously be seen in our own transition from playing the ball in the sky to on the deck)  As much as we are weak at centre half I think they'll have more to worry about. They'll have motivation to get their season kicked off & perhaps save the club from relegation - but I can't see that ''playing for your place'' has much relevance with the lads at Sunderland any more.  For me if we win the battle in midfield & seize control of the game we'll win the match - and the man to marshall that is Yohan Cabaye.  Their centre midfield pairing should consist of Gardner & Cattermole - so long as we're disciplined - we should better that - though Tiote will have to keep cool. Hopefully we go at them from the first whistle - because whilst our 2-2 draw inspires confidence - they will be shitting themselves.  Fairly random waffle there Great post that Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19768 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 What's the point? they never answer the questions, just smash their 6 fingers against the keyboard until it types out "Fuck Off" and then congratulate each-other on their witty replies. Â If enough people think I should give it a go, I will, but I'd not expect anything but "hilarious" replies. It'll be like a car crash, or watching Geordie Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013  Personally I'd rather start with a front 3 of -  Remy - Gouffran - Ben Arfa  I'd switch Remy and Gouffran around. As you say Gouffran tracks back very well and Remy is more of a threat up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13829 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I would against better teams (your Liverpools etc) but in this instance I'd let them worry about us. I think as an overall threat it's at it's peak with Remy/Ben Arfa on either flank because whether he's on a good day or not Ben Arfa is going to pull men towards him. Â I've not seen a great deal of Remy in the centre but for me - I like him coming in from the left so he can cut in & shoot or find the CF/RW and we can have teams really stretched, especially on the break. So whilst I agree in principle I think that's our most potent attack (striker subject to change) and that's what we should be going with. Â Teams won't be so keen to throw everything up against us with that forward three on the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19768 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Aye, give gouffran a go through the middle and the two danger men out wide, cutting in Edited October 22, 2013 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Aye, give gouffran a go through the middle and the two danger men out wide, cutting in I think of Gouffran as more of a Jonas with end product, he needs to stay on the wing where his work rate is the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 How would anyone set the midfield up? Anita for Sissoko for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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