NJS 3977 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Which is precisely what we aren't going to get with Trump and le Pen in power on ether sides of the AtlanticOr Clinton for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 For me this is an extremely high risk strategy, like you're wishing death today to avoid death tomorrow. Â I regard words like neoliberalism, the establishment, the elite as just words. They're not tangible enemies and the solution isn't to rip apart society with a massive lurch to the right, or left for that matter. There are real issues to solve such as globalism, the environment, and massive wealth inequality. But really, you've got to realise that from a historical context, life is pretty good for most of us. A revolution isn't called for yet, rather progressive improvement is. Â It's not a strategy, although I see what you're saying... it's just my interpretation of what's actually happening. The establishment isn't going to back down, and the disaffected working class aren't going to either. So it's really all down to chance in my book, whether we get the tame right wing lurches now, or the serious ones later. Â Neoliberalism is a word to describe a philosophy - one that is fairly hidden considering that in our educational landscape we're very familiar with feminism, communism, fascism, socialism, etc. Curious that the one we live by is the least well known. It's an idea, more importantly, and it probably does need to be re-made. The elites and the establishment I kind of agree, although I use those terms to mix it up a bit so that my posts read better But yes, the solution isn't to rip anything apart - which I've said previously, a few times. I'd prefer a staged withdrawal (or progressive change, as you call it). But the trust isn't there for that to be led from the centre - as can be seen by the fact that Hillary is getting such a kicking - so it needs to come from outside of the 'establishment'. Â I would have infinitely preferred someone on the left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 3 Dem states go to no clear leader....Moving to Republican all day... and Nevada leaning Democrat. Â General swing to Trump all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I can't wait to see if Parky is actually right about any of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26288 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I'll eat Parky's arse if Trump takes Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 How much have you got on Parks? 9/2 for Trump last time I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Â Fuck the idea of Trump winning, the overthrow of the Neoliberalist establishment, the impending re-run of Nazi Germany... just let him win Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I'll eat Parky's arse if Trump takes Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 How much have you got on Parks? 9/2 for Trump last time I checked. Just had a fun bet after he got the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I've had a Betfair nibble on a Clinton landslide in place for ages. Could have cashed out for a 50% profit after the pussy-grab tape came out; could have got odds at least twice as good as my original ones after the initial FBI thing recently. It's been a fluid kind of market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26288 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 My money is on Hillary to get 300-329 electoral college votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26288 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I got 5/1, now into 15/8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/opinion/campaign-stops/harry-belafonte-what-do-we-have-to-lose-everything.html  Elegant. Wonder how many voters think like him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I meant eloquent. Ah well. That works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19814 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Or Clinton for that matter. Her tax and spend plans are enlightened compared to what the Donald has planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19814 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 It's not a strategy, although I see what you're saying... it's just my interpretation of what's actually happening. The establishment isn't going to back down, and the disaffected working class aren't going to either. So it's really all down to chance in my book, whether we get the tame right wing lurches now, or the serious ones later. Â Neoliberalism is a word to describe a philosophy - one that is fairly hidden considering that in our educational landscape we're very familiar with feminism, communism, fascism, socialism, etc. Curious that the one we live by is the least well known. It's an idea, more importantly, and it probably does need to be re-made. The elites and the establishment I kind of agree, although I use those terms to mix it up a bit so that my posts read better But yes, the solution isn't to rip anything apart - which I've said previously, a few times. I'd prefer a staged withdrawal (or progressive change, as you call it). But the trust isn't there for that to be led from the centre - as can be seen by the fact that Hillary is getting such a kicking - so it needs to come from outside of the 'establishment'. Â I would have infinitely preferred someone on the left... I think you're seriously underestimating the potential global swing to the rightTrump in the White House might bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19814 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 The end is nigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name  "Hillary Clinton does not know how to use a desktop computer "  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Â Fun fun fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Also, if you remember the mighty band Anal Cunt, this might be the best thing to come out of the whole miserable election season: https://analtrump.bandcamp.com/album/that-makes-me-smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Â Top stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Prepare yourselves dimwits. A storm is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19814 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Guardian endorses Hillary https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/07/the-guardian-view-on-americas-choice-dont-vote-for-trump-elect-clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26288 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Was that ever in doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19814 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Superb analysis from elitist guardian commentator Jonathan Freedland  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/who-is-to-blame-us-election-trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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