ewerk 26170 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 We have a PM promising to try and scrap the backstop which won’t happen and a Parliament determined to stop no deal. So what happens? If Johnson goes to the polls on a no deal manifesto he still haemorrhages votes to the Brexit party. If he goes for another referendum and loses then he can hope to hang on and hope it’s less of an issue in 2022. This isn’t about Brexit for the Tories, it isn’t about passing meaningful legislation, it’s about hanging on to power until the next crisis and another referendum might be the only way to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, ewerk said: We have a PM promising to try and scrap the backstop which won’t happen and a Parliament determined to stop no deal. So what happens? If Johnson goes to the polls on a no deal manifesto he still haemorrhages votes to the Brexit party. If he goes for another referendum and loses then he can hope to hang on and hope it’s less of an issue in 2022. This isn’t about Brexit for the Tories, it isn’t about passing meaningful legislation, it’s about hanging on to power until the next crisis and another referendum might be the only way to do that. This is exactly how I see it. The Tories only hope now is to either somehow get no deal through, or put it back to another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26170 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I think Johnson knows that no deal is not going to fly and yet has positioned himself in such a way to make it inevitable. A GE or referendum seems to be the only way out of it and I don’t see how he survives a GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I know I'm going to sound ludicrously naive but we could really do with someone banging all their heads together with a stated aim of what's best for the country right now and sort everything else later. I'd even take the fucking queen doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26170 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 When’s the last time you heard anyone on the Brexit side talk about what’s actually best for the country? That argument has been lost and they don’t want to discuss it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 There are still some who think we'll be better off in the long run sadly. I think the majority are in the "just let it be over* camp not realising even if we come out "smoothly" there'll be another couple of years of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8868 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: Cunty McCuntcunt. Oi, get your own insults! There is no freedom of movement of insults! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38556 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Isegrim said: Oi, get your own insults! There is no freedom of movement of insults! But it’s on his Blue passport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5883 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) I was saying this today. The worry is that Boris knows he's limited in how much power he wields as an unelected PM. The scary bit comes after a GE when Labour get annihilated and Boris, potentially on a joint ticket with Farage, have a majority behind them to cause untold misery Edited July 25, 2019 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said: I was saying this today. The worry is that Boris knows he's limited in how much power he wields as an unelected PM. The scary bit comes after a GE when Labour get annihilated and Boris, potentially on a joint ticket with Farage, have a majority behind them to cause untold misery All of which could be headed off if Labour would just get behind Remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5883 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: All of which could be headed off if Labour would just get behind Remain. I think that boat has sailed now. A more centrist leader may make them more electable but Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: I think that boat has sailed now. A more centrist leader may make them more electable but Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership Yes I guess so. EU elections were the time to do it. So we'll sail into the abyss for the sake of disaster socialism, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9163 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 15 hours ago, Rayvin said: There is simply no good logic for their stance, and it is clear to me that they don't have the stones to take on Brexit properly, and simply want it to go away so they can focus on their other policy issues. They're fucking useless. The logic is that Corbyn was always a Brexit supporter, as evidenced by his lukewarm support for Remain prior to the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9163 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 The age of Trump is fully upon us in this country now. Consequence free lying by the PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Jonathan Pie takes aim at HS2 Superfan @Renton and leaves him standing with his Thomas the Tank Engine y fronts on back to front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30239 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Gemmill said: Jonathan Pie takes aim at HS2 Superfan @Renton and leaves him standing with his Thomas the Tank Engine y fronts on back to front. Just like his last meeting with you then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9940 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 What a stupid cunt he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17611 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Sonatine said: What a stupid cunt he is Nobody under the age of 50 will know what imperial measurements are. Not a single scientist or engineer this side of the Atlantic use them. These are the people that make things work. Basically there aren't the demographics to make a proposal like this work. It will merely fuck off millions of people. So is he just a stupid cunt or are we missing something? I've been on holiday for a week and it appears the country has literally gone insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30239 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Funny how he was seen as the antidote to Corbyn’s by a lot of the Tory grassroots a while back yet he appears to be such a gargantuan cunt even his fellow Tory MPs wouldn’t countenance him standings in the leadership contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Alex said: Funny how he was seen as the antidote to Corbyn’s by a lot of the Tory grassroots a while back yet he appears to be such a gargantuan cunt even his fellow Tory MPs wouldn’t countenance him standings in the leadership contest I mean the same was kind of true with Corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17611 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Talking of which... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Renton said: Talking of which... Sigh wheres that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17611 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) From twitter and supposedly a proper poll but I haven't checked the source. At first I thought it was a bit counterintuitive as some of the movement is from conservative to labour. But it makes sense. Tory remainers (wets) will not vote for Corbyn, who is percieved as an extremist. But they would hold their noses for a centrist labour candidate on a remain ticket. And of course people like me wouldn't defect to the lib dems. Corbyn is a fucking disaster for this country, rightly or wrongly. Edited July 28, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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