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[Renton 17575]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

So she's giving up her honesty to win an election and you're annoyed. But when Corbyn refused to give up his honesty to win an election you were apoplectic. I don't know how anyone wins here. 

 

This is a good point actually, fair enough. I dont think Thatcher Blair comparisons are necessary, but maybe they are. In which case, I think the party is pretty fucked whoever leads it. The enemy isn't Blair, it's the tories  If Labour cant unite behind that, then they're rightly fucked. 

[Rayvin 4949]

Just now, Renton said:

 

This is a good point actually, fair enough. I dont think Thatcher Blair comparisons are necessary, but maybe they are. In which case, I think the party is pretty fucked whoever leads it. The enemy isn't Blair, it's the tories  If Labour cant unite behind that, then they're rightly fucked. 

 

The party is indeed fucked.

[Renton 17575]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

The party is indeed fucked.

 

Agreed!  

[ewerk 26142]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

This is a good point actually, fair enough. I dont think Thatcher Blair comparisons are necessary, but maybe they are. In which case, I think the party is pretty fucked whoever leads it. The enemy isn't Blair, it's the tories  If Labour cant unite behind that, then they're rightly fucked. 

I think that yougov poll yesterday had Blair on a 67% unfavorability rating. It's insane but that shows the crowd they're all trying to appeal to. We rightly gave Corbyn pelters for not playing the game so we can't criticise Nandy when she does it.

[Rayvin 4949]

If Blair hadn't gone to Iraq, I wonder how different all of this would have been. Labour would have been nowhere near as toxic and perhaps more left wing voters would remember the years fondly. Honestly I see more people go after him over Iraq than anything else.

Edited January 22, 2020 by Rayvin

[ewerk 26142]

Because it's a very simple narrative to press.

[Renton 17575]

Blair = Iraq.

Brown ="Labour's financial crisis"

 

No tory would have done differently, but to ignore everything else is madness. I was furious with Blair about Iraq as it happens, long before we invaded (as were millions of others). Brown in contrast should be applauded for his actions in the financial crisis, but fuck me, the tories are still dining out on it and will be for at least another decade. 

 

[NJS 3956]

Whether you think NL were a force for good or not (I actually think generally they were), there can be no argument that they incorporated facets of Thatcherism. 

 

I think the discussion should be more about the point of stating it - if its to gain kudos with the young zealots in the membership by framing it negatively then I thinks its just playing for votes and dubious, if it's to take the position that a government has to play the establishment game in this country to do anything then its fairly practical (but sad). 

[Gemmill 34157]

Nandy's on the final ballot, bitchez.

[wykikitoon 16474]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/22/pick-long-bailey-and-its-over-the-view-from-the-ruins-of-labours-red-wall?CMP=twt_b-gdnnortherner

 

[Tom 13804]

Has anyone got any evidence re Starmer being a “centrist”.

Its being constantly banded about by the RLB Firms Top crew, but I just don’t know where people are getting it from?

 

[Rayvin 4949]

36 minutes ago, Tom said:

Has anyone got any evidence re Starmer being a “centrist”.

Its being constantly banded about by the RLB Firms Top crew, but I just don’t know where people are getting it from?

 

 

Voted for the Tory austerity welfare bill or whatever it was called. The dismal, pathetic Labour betrayal that prompted me to vote for Corbyn.

 

But mostly it's all relative, isn't it? The spectrum changes. In the US he'd be considered a radical. Although i daresay in the US, he would position himself pragmatically.

[ewerk 26142]

In the U.S. we’d all be considered radical by virtue of the fact that none of us want poor people to die on the street.

[Alex 30224]

8 hours ago, ewerk said:

In the U.S. we’d all be considered radical by virtue of the fact that none of us want to shoot all the poor people. For fun

Fyp 

[ewerk 26142]

The Tory twat who won Pidcock’s seat has just accusing Labour of culturally appropriating the Durham Miners’ Gala.  

[Holden McGroin 4797]

On 22/01/2020 at 12:11, Rayvin said:

If Blair hadn't gone to Iraq, I wonder how different all of this would have been. Labour would have been nowhere near as toxic and perhaps more left wing voters would remember the years fondly. Honestly I see more people go after him over Iraq than anything else.

 

I think they massively fucked up when they chose the wrong Miliband brother.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Thoughts on this bloke? I don't know much about him.

 

 

 

[wykikitoon 16474]

A friend of mine who is a lawyer has met him a few time when he was a Lawyer, said he was a decent bloke.  

[Dr Gloom 19720]

decent bloke, safe pair of hands, a bit beige

[Dr Gloom 19720]

wears too much gel on his hair 

[Monkeys Fist 38535]

32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

wears too much gel on his hair 

He might just be a greasy fucker. 

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Maybe beige is what Labour need to re-unite the party after the shit show of the past 12 months? Seems to be saying the right things.

[ewerk 26142]

He does say the right things but doesn’t sound quite right and always looks like he’s worried he’s left the gas on.

But I think he’s more than capable of growing into the role.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Saying and doing are two completely different things when it comes to politicians though.

[ewerk 26142]

As long as he gets the Tories out I’m not bothered.