Tom 13804 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Meenzer said: I'm sorry if his mental health is suffering but he was happy enough to dunk on other people's mental health when it suited him, so hey. He’s too pigheaded to learn any lesson so I’m fully on the schadenfreude bandwagon. JOIN ME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 O’Brien getting pelters for this but...he’s right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26118 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 These will be the same people who complained that other Labour members and MPs weren't getting behind Corbyn when he had a -60 favourability rating with the public. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It’s absolutely brainless and he’s right to mock it. Socialism is a dirty word for a lot of people in the UK & five years of Corbyn made that worse not better. For people to be chirping up now about Starmer ruining the Labour Party after the way it was left in 2019 is very rich indeed. Also you see “SOCIALISTS” on twitter who spend their every waking moment slagging off Starmer and then also slag him because the polls are bad and never identify the correlation between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 A lot of it is completely irrational, that's the problem. They're trying to stick the knife in because that's what they perceive happened to Corbyn. Many of the arguments they're throwing at Starmer qualify as fake news IMO. There's actually now a reasonable body of work that you can fairly criticise Starmer on, but the stuff they're going for is basically conspiracy theory twaddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: I'm sorry if his mental health is suffering but he was happy enough to dunk on other people's mental health when it suited him, so hey. Grimes was a Lib Dem originally if I recall correctly? Then he jumped ship when he saw profit in the opportunity to spread false right wing talking points. He's reaping what he sowed on that front so it's tough to feel sorry for him. He's not some hapless, ignorant commentator who is the product of a right wing upbringing and a general lack of political education - he's someone who should know better, who indeed does know better, and who chooses profit from ignoring those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26118 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said: It’d be awful if he was out of work and had to sign on. Fucking benefit scrounger… He got sacked from IEA, if even Tufton Street have turned their back on him then he's in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19716 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom said: O’Brien getting pelters for this but...he’s right. He’s spot on but he handed it quite petulantly. He could have made the caller sound even more ridiculous if he’d kept his cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19716 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The idea that the speech would be delivered better by world class election loser Jeremy Corbyn is hilarious. He should have just let put that thought back to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19716 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Oh, and get your tiny violins out for Grimes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30215 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Corbyn was sincere about Brexit like, if sincerity matters that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Oh, and get your tiny violins out for Grimes He tried to get his followers to pile in on me on twitter but nobody did because he’s got no friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30215 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) I love how people like him label the entire ‘left’ as being hypocrites for not adhering to what he thinks they should be about. Despite him not feeling he needs to adhere to that or believing in what he thinks the left should stand for. He was wearing a MAGA hat (and looking like a fucking gimp) on US election night. He’s just after sympathy and by extension more money for being a cunt. As Tom says he’s just another useful idiot who’s been discarded when no longer deemed to be an effective spreader of propaganda. So now he can go back to just being an idiot Edited February 19, 2021 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13924 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 From MAGA to Mama. Life comes at you fast. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38512 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Kind and gentle. If Darren Grimes walked in to a Monkey Brothel dressed as a banana he’d still walk out untouched. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26118 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30215 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 He should get a place with that turbo virgin off infowars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26118 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 This encapsulates the worry I have about Starmer. The obvious thing would be for him to call for the entire cabinet to resign and rant and rave about their incompetence and oppose them at every turn but the sensible thing is not to during a crisis. Whether the sensible approach will cut through with the public however remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I think Corbyn’s spell has rocked the boat in many respects, particularly the habit of opposing literally everything all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3176 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tom said: I think Corbyn’s spell has rocked the boat in many respects, particularly the habit of opposing literally everything all the time. Did he oppose everything? He didn't oppose Brexit off the top of my head. He was also uber shit at rejoinders during PM's questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30215 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Did he oppose everything? He didn't oppose Brexit off the top of my head. He was also uber shit at rejoinders during PM's questions. I think it’s s good point though in that lots of stuff seemed like a reactive response without much in the way of a clear strategy from Corbyn and that inner circle of winnets that was meant to be advising him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Corbyn at least tried to argue for a version of Brexit that wouldn't be a total fiasco - Starmer on the other hand has waved through the current deal without expressing any concern whatsoever. As shit as Corbyn was on Brexit, Starmer has outdone him. I'm really struggling to see Starmer as the next PM. He's no more electable than Corbyn was based on the evidence we're seeing at the moment. He's barely even fucking visible. EDIT - he's currently running third as 'best man for the PM job' with Yougov, behind Johnson in first and 'I don't know' in second. I suppose you could argue that the I don't know group have to break one way or the other in the end but that's still not a hugely encouraging sign IMO. Edited February 23, 2021 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Corbyn had a chance to directly oppose brexit & campaign for remain but he didn’t want to so he didn’t. He was MIA during the referendum & to pretend otherwise is a fanciful reimagining. Hard to blame Starmer with the record breaking levels of shit he’s been left with. Politics is about concession & Starmer is a Fabian no? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Aye and he took the same approach that we now apparently laud Starmer for. Pragmatic compromise. And for all Corbyn's "pragmatism" was a confusing, unstructured and poorly thought through mess, Starmer's is a clear and wholesale concession - and while yes, the ship has sailed, he's treating it like it's out at sea and approaching its destination, rather than having left the port and immediately started taking on water, which is the reality. Apart from his Brexit stance, which I consider short sighted and actually fairly desperate, I don't blame him for anything particularly. He doesn't risk enough to get anything right or wrong, at least not so far. Ultimately Starmer wants everyone to move on from Brexit as much as Johnson does, maybe more - and that's because Labour are fucked if it remains on the agenda. Which it will, because the damage will still be felt in 5 years time, and that broad church will be screaming at each other across the aisle. He cannot win with the approach he's taking unless Brexit goes sideways so monumentally that the Tories start tanking to the tune of about 10%, so I see little point in mollycoddling him. He's barely present and unless he grows a spine and a vision with some urgency, he's going to be a footnote in this country's shameful recent history. If he proves me wrong then more power to him, I'll certainly welcome it should it happen. But as it stands I'm sticking with my 10-15 years of Tory rule prediction. Brexit has annihilated Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38512 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Rayvin said: unless Brexit goes sideways so monumentally that the Tories start tanking Give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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