Rayvin 4949 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Renton said: Would be amazing, although I'd actually prefer a stronger LD to nudge forward PR. If it happened like this that would be over. We can dream. I really think we could manage this if Labour would just get out ahead of it. The Tories hammered down to 100 seats man. I mean you've just said you want a stronger LD here, and I agree, but if they got much stronger than this they'd be the second biggest party. We can dream indeed but at some point, surely, someone has to actually make this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Genuinely didn't know he was still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26168 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Looking at that picture I'd say it's 50/50. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17610 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Genuinely didn't know he was still alive. I think he looks well cosidering the strikes were nearly 40 years ago. Outlived Thatcher by quite a distance. 🖕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 @Rayvin @spongebob toonpants It's happening... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I'm confused, won't this torpedo Labours chances of winning the election? I like Lammy, he gets an incredible amount of bullshit from right wing fuckwits and stands up and is counted despite it. Grateful to him for doing so here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30239 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I think that electoral pact only happens if Labour promise PR anyway though. The bloke who does that electoral calculus site was pro-Brexit and wrote a lot of articles on how it would be economically beneficial. Funnily enough he’s gone a bit quiet on that now But the polling analysis on there is excellent. The fact you’ve got Tories in such a mess yet the boundary changes and the polls indicate they’d still be short of a majority might make them go for an electoral pact. If it happens, annihilates the Tories and brings about genuine electoral reform then it would be incredibly good. I’m too cynical to get my hopes up though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: I'm confused, won't this torpedo Labours chances of winning the election? I like Lammy, he gets an incredible amount of bullshit from right wing fuckwits and stands up and is counted despite it. Grateful to him for doing so here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38556 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Gemmill said: Genuinely didn't know he was still alive. It’s sad to see the decline of old heroes. This bloke had the most glorious comb-over of the 18th, 19th, and 20th century. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6287 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Could tie a tie properly as well, unlike the utter cunt below. Was it Cameron who tried to suggest the way Corbyn failed to tie his tie properly was indicative of the lacking in class of the left wing? What a fucking joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3586 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I seem to remember Nandy saying at the time fighting for a second referendum was wrong, and instead we should accept Brexit but fight for a good deal, stay in the SM & CU. I thought that was a surrender at the time, but I will admit I was completely wrong, and we'd got behind that plan we might not be living hhrough this shit show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17610 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Gemmill said: That's canny depressing tbf. Lost generation of opportunity. We will be in decline for the rest of my working life, maybe longer. I fucking viscerally hate the cunts that orchestrated this. That's not a healthy feeling. Also probably means labour aren't up to the big ideas needed like electoral reform. So bye bye Scotland. Christ, I'm suddenly turning into @Rayvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3586 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Renton said: That's canny depressing tbf. Lost generation of opportunity. We will be in decline for the rest of my working life, maybe longer. I fucking viscerally hate the cunts that orchestrated this. That's not a healthy feeling. Also probably means labour aren't up to the big ideas needed like electoral reform. So bye bye Scotland. Christ, I'm suddenly turning into @Rayvin. Welcome to the dark side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craig 6287 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Renton said: I fucking viscerally hate the cunts that orchestrated this. Anyone who is anyone shares this view IMO. For all the damage those Tory cunts could have done, this will always top the list for me. We will pay the price of it for generations to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Renton said: That's canny depressing tbf. Lost generation of opportunity. We will be in decline for the rest of my working life, maybe longer. I fucking viscerally hate the cunts that orchestrated this. That's not a healthy feeling. Also probably means labour aren't up to the big ideas needed like electoral reform. So bye bye Scotland. Christ, I'm suddenly turning into @Rayvin. So none of this article was a big surprise to me because rightly or wrongly it was what I had assumed Labour's position to be, but with my views on this, how I can vote for them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3586 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Craig said: For all the damage those Tory cunts could have done, this will always top the list for me. We will pay the price of it for generations to come. We've been paying the price for the dismantling the unions for 35 years. Labour didn't try and overturn that, and now it's doing the same here. I don't want to speak for @Rayvin but if we don't draw a line in the sand we've already lost. What's the point in voting for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17610 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So none of this article was a big surprise to me because rightly or wrongly it was what I had assumed Labour's position to be, but with my views on this, how I can vote for them? Because however small, it's still steps in the right direction. Will give the country a chance to stabilise a bit, defuse some of the bad will we have garnered with the EU. Hope that bigger steps follow this. Rejoining the SM was always going to take a decade by my calculations, although this still disappointis me. But mainly because, the alternative is almost unthinkable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5882 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 "The British people have made a decision and we have to honour it,” he told the UK in a Changing Europe’s annual conference. Totally flawed argument given it was a tiny margin that won and there were so many lies told. A new referendum would be overwhelmingly in favour of rejoining the EU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6287 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: A new referendum would be overwhelmingly in favour of rejoining the EU 100% I'd have a modicum of respect if they held their hands up and admitted that Brexit is a factor in which we are going through the cost of living crisis, but the cunts never will. Utter fucking arseholes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3586 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Renton said: Hope that bigger steps follow this Who is going to make these steps, certainly nobody in the current Labour Party. And if doesn't happen now it never will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3586 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 And like an idiot I will still be watching QT tonight, and waiting for the by-election results to come in. Trying to fool myself it will make a difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30239 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Craig said: Could tie a tie properly as well, unlike the utter cunt below. Was it Cameron who tried to suggest the way Corbyn failed to tie his tie properly was indicative of the lacking in class of the left wing? What a fucking joke! A bit like when Michael Foot wore a donkey jacket that wasn’t a donkey jacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19735 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Your man Mick Lynch is on QT later. Might tune in for once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38556 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Sir Michael baiting the hook again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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