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Couldn't see Red Ken as PM either tbh.

 

CT's tory love in is getting beyond a joke now like.

 

 

What do you expect from a Tory voter :D

 

Im still not sure what you are you seem to sway a lot with the wind ;)

 

Anyway, the original comment was about the program which if your interested in politics, was very good. Having only read the Eton Toff stuff about Cameron, it was interesting to hear the facts from those that new him.

 

Just because you're a tory doesn't mean you can't be objective though. Take post 42 on here, why haven't you commented on the fact that Cameron fell on his arse after Bridget's question? It's of particular relevance to your locality after all.

 

It's far too early to tell if Cameron will make the grade as PM yet in any case, whatever your political stance. Yet you sound like you have a crush on him. :icon_lol:

 

I tell you what Renton - being no fan of Cameron I'm still glad he gave the response he did rather than make something up on the spot (which we're all quick to know politicians for).

 

I do feel that he couldn't win in this situation tbh - unrealistic to expect him to there and then know the answer to every question that was thrown at him at the first PMQ (unless he had prior knowledge of what questions they'd be which, IMO would make a mockery of the whole event), had he answered definitively and guessed, most likely getting it wrong he'd have been forever berated for it so he gave the only answer he could given and still that's no right.

 

There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

What did you expect of him in reply to Bridget?

 

I'd like him to confirm the grant still stands and honour it, to protect private sector jobs in this region. Instead he said nothing. Is that acceptable? Can he just say 'dunno' to every question from now on? Is some reassurance not called for after his comments pre-election on his plans for the North East?

 

Btw, do you really think PMQs are off the cuff?

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As far as I'm aware, all initial questions for PMQT are pre-registered - so either his office screwed up or he had to say he didn't know because he wanted to avoid giving the actual answer - probably -"Of course we're cutting the grant - What point of we're going to fuck the NE over again did you not understand"?

 

 

Lol very funny

 

The Conservatives following through on their promise to destroy the NE economy will be hilarious like.

 

Actually.....

 

Mr Cameron's office has confirmed support for plans by his Lib Dem Deputy PM Nick Clegg to help areas such as Wearside and the North East which heavily depend on public sector jobs.

 

The announcement came after Labour claimed the Tories would "punish" the North East with huge cuts in the wake of remarks made by Mr Cameron regarding the size of the public sector in the region.

 

I don't remember him ever saying he'd destroy the econony. Did claim that that public sector in the region was large but doesn't actually state what you say.

 

You don't have to read between the lines much to know exactly what he meant. Why did he specifically single the North East out? No offence Craig, but you might be a bit more worried if you still lived in this region.

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As far as I'm aware, all initial questions for PMQT are pre-registered - so either his office screwed up or he had to say he didn't know because he wanted to avoid giving the actual answer - probably -"Of course we're cutting the grant - What point of we're going to fuck the NE over again did you not understand"?

 

 

Lol very funny

 

The Conservatives following through on their promise to destroy the NE economy will be hilarious like.

 

Actually.....

 

Mr Cameron's office has confirmed support for plans by his Lib Dem Deputy PM Nick Clegg to help areas such as Wearside and the North East which heavily depend on public sector jobs.

 

The announcement came after Labour claimed the Tories would "punish" the North East with huge cuts in the wake of remarks made by Mr Cameron regarding the size of the public sector in the region.

 

I don't remember him ever saying he'd destroy the econony. Did claim that that public sector in the region was large but doesn't actually state what you say.

 

You don't have to read between the lines much to know exactly what he meant. Why did he specifically single the North East out? No offence Craig, but you might be a bit more worried if you still lived in this region.

 

Fail comment and I agree with you.

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Couldn't see Red Ken as PM either tbh.

 

CT's tory love in is getting beyond a joke now like.

 

 

What do you expect from a Tory voter :D

 

Im still not sure what you are you seem to sway a lot with the wind ;)

 

Anyway, the original comment was about the program which if your interested in politics, was very good. Having only read the Eton Toff stuff about Cameron, it was interesting to hear the facts from those that new him.

 

Just because you're a tory doesn't mean you can't be objective though. Take post 42 on here, why haven't you commented on the fact that Cameron fell on his arse after Bridget's question? It's of particular relevance to your locality after all.

 

It's far too early to tell if Cameron will make the grade as PM yet in any case, whatever your political stance. Yet you sound like you have a crush on him. :icon_lol:

 

I tell you what Renton - being no fan of Cameron I'm still glad he gave the response he did rather than make something up on the spot (which we're all quick to know politicians for).

 

I do feel that he couldn't win in this situation tbh - unrealistic to expect him to there and then know the answer to every question that was thrown at him at the first PMQ (unless he had prior knowledge of what questions they'd be which, IMO would make a mockery of the whole event), had he answered definitively and guessed, most likely getting it wrong he'd have been forever berated for it so he gave the only answer he could given and still that's no right.

 

There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

What did you expect of him in reply to Bridget?

 

I'd like him to confirm the grant still stands and honour it, to protect private sector jobs in this region. Instead he said nothing. Is that acceptable? Can he just say 'dunno' to every question from now on? Is some reassurance not called for after his comments pre-election on his plans for the North East?

 

Btw, do you really think PMQs are off the cuff?

 

Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

As for the grant still standing - my opinion is that he honestly doesn't know. I bet the Chancellor does though! We all know cuts need to be made so it has to be considered that nothing is safe (I appreciate some things will be undoubtedly safer than others but that's the nature of politics and would be true whoever was in power).

 

I'd like him to find out and report back to the house with a true honest answer. I've always thought that the expectation for the PM to give a full definiitve answer at PMQ is way too high. By its very name its PMQ, not PMQ&A. Although the answers do need to be delivered expediently....

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The "I'll look in to it and get back to the honourable member" response has been trotted out by PMs for years. It's nowt new.

 

TBF to cameron there is no way he can have a handle on every issue three weeks after taking office and I have respect for him for not bullshitting his way out of it.

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The "I'll look in to it and get back to the honourable member" response has been trotted out by PMs for years. It's nowt new.

 

TBF to cameron there is no way he can have a handle on every issue three weeks after taking office and I have respect for him for not bullshitting his way out of it.

 

 

Spot on

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

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The "I'll look in to it and get back to the honourable member" response has been trotted out by PMs for years. It's nowt new.

 

TBF to cameron there is no way he can have a handle on every issue three weeks after taking office and I have respect for him for not bullshitting his way out of it.

 

 

Spot on

 

Hold on, I thought this was new, refreshing honesty from Cameron? Now its the same response that's been trotted out for years? You can't have it both ways.

 

Another thing about PMQs now is that there is effectively only one party asking questions. Which makes it easier for Cameron, and more boring for us.

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

 

Or it could be that he just didn't know the answer. Like I said, I'm no fan of Cameron so I'm not defending him but at the same time I think he's being knocked a bit too hard on this particular subject.

 

As for the comment re: Houghton and Sunderland MP, we both know there's a great deal that goes on within that constituency besides the Nissan factory - granted it's the biggest industry.

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Another thing about PMQs now is that there is effectively only one party asking questions. Which makes it easier for Cameron, and more boring for us.

 

Sadly that was true whoever got in though...

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

 

Or it could be that he just didn't know the answer. Like I said, I'm no fan of Cameron so I'm not defending him but at the same time I think he's being knocked a bit too hard on this particular subject.

 

As for the comment re: Houghton and Sunderland MP, we both know there's a great deal that goes on within that constituency besides the Nissan factory - granted it's the biggest industry.

 

Well like I said, his response to this particular question raised a few eyebrows on FiveLive. But whatever, it was no more than a competent performance, and certainly not worthy of the gushing of CT in #42, was my point.

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

 

Or it could be that he just didn't know the answer. Like I said, I'm no fan of Cameron so I'm not defending him but at the same time I think he's being knocked a bit too hard on this particular subject.

 

As for the comment re: Houghton and Sunderland MP, we both know there's a great deal that goes on within that constituency besides the Nissan factory - granted it's the biggest industry.

 

Well like I said, his response to this particular question raised a few eyebrows on FiveLive. But whatever, it was no more than a competent performance, and certainly not worthy of the gushing of CT in #42, was my point.

 

Oh on that point I fully concur. But then we both know that there is serious rhetoric behind CT's political comments... ;)

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

 

 

They do not have advanced knowledge and are simply briefed by their staff on the big issues of the day. Up until now, most prime ministers have taken in reems of books to the dispatch box to rely on. Cameron has decided to take a few notes only (Soldiers names etc) and answer as best as he can. Virtually every question put to him this week he was very knowledgable on and could answer on.

 

The truth will most likely be that they havent fully decided on where all the cuts are going to be after a couple of weeks.

 

Having talked about the need for private industry to replace public sector jobs in the North East, I would be amazed if they cut this grant.

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Off the cuff? Well you'd like to think so else what's the fucking point in them sitting in the house to carry it out? I'd suspect some knowledge of what's coming but not all.

 

 

As I said, I think they do have advance knowledge - I thought it was designed to provoke debate rather than provide info.

 

Even if they don't, someone in that position should/would have a team who think "Ah MP, for Houghton and Sunderland, I wonder what she'll be asking" and wouldn't have to go a million miles to anticipate a question on jobs or even Nissan.

 

Of course it may be that they just haven't decided on the grant issue which would be fair enough in the timeframe and I wouldn't see anything wrong in him saying that - the fact that he averted the question suggests an answer he didn't want to give as I said.

 

Or it could be that he just didn't know the answer. Like I said, I'm no fan of Cameron so I'm not defending him but at the same time I think he's being knocked a bit too hard on this particular subject.

 

As for the comment re: Houghton and Sunderland MP, we both know there's a great deal that goes on within that constituency besides the Nissan factory - granted it's the biggest industry.

 

Well like I said, his response to this particular question raised a few eyebrows on FiveLive. But whatever, it was no more than a competent performance, and certainly not worthy of the gushing of CT in #42, was my point.

 

Well this is the report from the BBC on his first PMQ

 

 

Five years after his first performance at PMQs, David Cameron finally had the chance to face the questions rather than pose them.

 

But, this was not the jolly post-election political knock-about that some might have expected.

 

There were several reasons for this.

 

Most obviously, the shootings in Cumbria subdued the Commons. The raid on the Gaza ship, and more deaths in Afghanistan contributed to a much more sombre mood than had prevailed in the chamber after the Queen's Speech.

 

It is also important to remember that over a third of these MPs will never have attended prime minister's questions before.

 

Many will have been unsure how to behave while watching these fascinating, but strange, weekly bouts.

 

When to cheer? When to jeer? And aren't the rules for the "new" politics supposed to be somehow different from the "old"?

 

Clearly, PMQs in the age of coalition will take some time to bed down.

 

'Punch and Judy'

David Cameron seemed to want to present himself as a less overtly political prime minister than Gordon Brown.

 

When he first become opposition leader, he said he would end "Punch and Judy" politics in the Commons. That didn't last. But, Mr Cameron still likes to present himself as the serious, grown-up leader acting in the "national interest" at all times.

 

Hence, the prime minister's best moment today: "I am going to give accurate answers rather than make them up". There was a huge cheer from the government benches at this point - even from Liberal Democrats like Chris Huhne.

 

The role of the Lib Dems in these weekly clashes still is not totally clear.

 

Nick Clegg has become the silent man - the only leader of the three biggest parties who does not get to say anything at all (although he does seem to be offered the chance to tour TV and radio studios on the morning of big parliamentary events).

 

Today he sat in the Commons looking pretty comfortable.

 

At one point, he was licking his lips reflectively.

 

Sure-footed Harman

A few minutes later he prompted the prime minister about a policy detail.

 

Week in week out, he will be sitting to Mr Cameron's right.

 

But never cheering or laughing too enthusiastically for the comfort of his own MPs, and never patting Mr Cameron's back too vigorously when he sits down.

 

Other Liberal Democrats also seem a little unsure how to react to "their" prime minister.

 

There will, of course, now be obsessive discussion every week about where everyone is sitting.

 

Are the Lib Dem ministers huddled together or interspersed with their Tory partners?

 

As the weeks go by, we can also expect much more comment on the body language of the likes of Vince Cable, Chris Huhne, Danny Alexander etc, as Mr Cameron defends the government's actions.

 

What of Labour?

 

Harriet Harman put in another sure-footed Commons performance.

 

Though she was not as effective or funny as on the day of the Queen's Speech - when many were asking why she was not running for the Labour leadership.

 

But one thing is clear - particularly from her questions about tax breaks for married couples.

 

Labour's tactic week-in, week-out will be to try to tease out divisions between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.

 

The opposition's aim at PMQs will be to expose these cracks in the coalition.

 

Their hope will be to make the silent Nick Clegg squirm.

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:icon_lol: Conservative backbenchers and some Liberals cheered Cameron?

 

Aye, sorry, that's me told. You're right CT, Cameron is a genius and we're clearly in the dawn of a new era of politics, and everything will be great from now on. :D

 

;)

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Couldn't see Red Ken as PM either tbh.

 

CT's tory love in is getting beyond a joke now like.

 

 

What do you expect from a Tory voter :)

 

Im still not sure what you are you seem to sway a lot with the wind :icon_lol:

 

Anyway, the original comment was about the program which if your interested in politics, was very good. Having only read the Eton Toff stuff about Cameron, it was interesting to hear the facts from those that new him.

 

Just because you're a tory doesn't mean you can't be objective though. Take post 42 on here, why haven't you commented on the fact that Cameron fell on his arse after Bridget's question? It's of particular relevance to your locality after all.

 

It's far too early to tell if Cameron will make the grade as PM yet in any case, whatever your political stance. Yet you sound like you have a crush on him. :D

 

I tell you what Renton - being no fan of Cameron I'm still glad he gave the response he did rather than make something up on the spot (which we're all quick to know politicians for).

 

I do feel that he couldn't win in this situation tbh - unrealistic to expect him to there and then know the answer to every question that was thrown at him at the first PMQ (unless he had prior knowledge of what questions they'd be which, IMO would make a mockery of the whole event), had he answered definitively and guessed, most likely getting it wrong he'd have been forever berated for it so he gave the only answer he could given and still that's no right.

 

There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

What did you expect of him in reply to Bridget?

 

 

This is the problem unfortunately with Renton and others like him. So are so anti Cameron that they cant see any good and if he came out tomorrow and doubled the Nissan grant they would just move on to the next negative point.

 

There are many things I have liked that Labour have done over the years and just because I lean towards Tory, it doesnt make me so blinkered as to appreciate things like the minimum wage and winter fuel allowances as two examples. When Renton argues the way he does, it just makes him appear like one of these sheep who would vote for anything with a red rosette....or green or whatever he is.

 

At least I get the feeling with someone who detests the thatcher years, like NJS, is at least prepared to bring some objectivity to bare, even if it comes with a cloud of suspicion.

 

I would compare Rentons position in these threads to punch and judy politics in the house of commons. Every now and then a good argument but very little sensible discussion on politics. ;)

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Personally I think I'm the most objective person on here when it comes to party politics

 

That's funny... you was saying something remarkably similar about me in another thread :icon_lol:

 

 

I think you come a very strong second. But thats just your age. ;)

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Couldn't see Red Ken as PM either tbh.

 

CT's tory love in is getting beyond a joke now like.

 

 

What do you expect from a Tory voter B)

 

Im still not sure what you are you seem to sway a lot with the wind :D

 

Anyway, the original comment was about the program which if your interested in politics, was very good. Having only read the Eton Toff stuff about Cameron, it was interesting to hear the facts from those that new him.

 

Just because you're a tory doesn't mean you can't be objective though. Take post 42 on here, why haven't you commented on the fact that Cameron fell on his arse after Bridget's question? It's of particular relevance to your locality after all.

 

It's far too early to tell if Cameron will make the grade as PM yet in any case, whatever your political stance. Yet you sound like you have a crush on him. :)

 

I tell you what Renton - being no fan of Cameron I'm still glad he gave the response he did rather than make something up on the spot (which we're all quick to know politicians for).

 

I do feel that he couldn't win in this situation tbh - unrealistic to expect him to there and then know the answer to every question that was thrown at him at the first PMQ (unless he had prior knowledge of what questions they'd be which, IMO would make a mockery of the whole event), had he answered definitively and guessed, most likely getting it wrong he'd have been forever berated for it so he gave the only answer he could given and still that's no right.

 

There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

What did you expect of him in reply to Bridget?

 

 

This is the problem unfortunately with Renton and others like him. So are so anti Cameron that they cant see any good and if he came out tomorrow and doubled the Nissan grant they would just move on to the next negative point.

 

There are many things I have liked that Labour have done over the years and just because I lean towards Tory, it doesnt make me so blinkered as to appreciate things like the minimum wage and winter fuel allowances as two examples. When Renton argues the way he does, it just makes him appear like one of these sheep who would vote for anything with a red rosette....or green or whatever he is.

 

At least I get the feeling with someone who detests the thatcher years, like NJS, is at least prepared to bring some objectivity to bare, even if it comes with a cloud of suspicion.

 

I would compare Rentons position in these threads to punch and judy politics in the house of commons. Every now and then a good argument but very little sensible discussion on politics. :icon_lol:

 

Coming across as a bit obsessed about me there CT, you were even thinking about me today in the sunshine apparently. ;)

 

I'm a card carrying Labour man, always have been, always will be most probably, although my socialist leanings have certainly softened over the years to be more pragmatic (much like New Labour). I don't mind admitting this, I'm not claiming to be anything else. More to the point, I don't want to be anything else - politics is by its very definition subjective. There's no right or wrong answer, there's no absolutes, everything is relative, nothing is quantifiable, and ultimately its all about your values and beliefs, and what type of country you want to live in. Or at least it should be. Anyway, I have to be completely objective in my work and that's enough for me thanks.

 

So no, I don't consider myself to be remotely balanced about partisan politics. But the difference between us is, I recognise this fact. You, who describe yourself as 'dyed in-the-wool tory', pretend you're not partisan, and worse, have the sheer audacity to claim you're somehow more objective than everyone else. You then simply ignore anyone who provides evidence to the contrary about this (not just me I might add). To sum up, you've got your head so far stuck up your own arse you simply have no self awareness at all. :icon_lol:

 

Either that or you are just 100% WUM, like Fop was. Sad either way really. :icon_lol:

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I'm a card carrying Labour man, always have been, always will be most probably, although my socialist leanings have certainly softened over the years to be more pragmatic (much like New Labour). I don't mind admitting this, I'm not claiming to be anything else. More to the point, I don't want to be anything else - politics is by its very definition subjective. There's no right or wrong answer, there's no absolutes, everything is relative, nothing is quantifiable, and ultimately its all about your values and beliefs, and what type of country you want to live in. Or at least it should be. Anyway, I have to be completely objective in my work and that's enough for me thanks.

 

So no, I don't consider myself to be remotely balanced about partisan politics. But the difference between us is, I recognise this fact. You, who describe yourself as 'dyed in-the-wool tory', pretend you're not partisan, and worse, have the sheer audacity to claim you're somehow more objective than everyone else. You then simply ignore anyone who provides evidence to the contrary about this (not just me I might add). To sum up, you've got your head so far stuck up your own arse you simply have no self awareness at all. :icon_lol:

 

 

Im confused Renton, I believed you when you said that you believed you were at the center of british politics not so long ago? now your saying you're staunch left wing?

 

So in other words, you were lying when you said that?? or have i got the wrong end of the stick here??

 

Will the real Renton please stand up, please stand up, please stand up............. etc.

 

;):D

 

tbh, Both CT and Renton are as bad as each other in this thread with neither willing to take a backward step.

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There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

Craig yesterday

 

 

This is what were discussing Renty before your card carrying speech.

 

I tried to clarify that I, while a Tory, can appreciate good policy and good politicians regardless of what party they come from.

 

Your bias seems unable to let you do the same, hence craigs comments.

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I'm a card carrying Labour man, always have been, always will be most probably, although my socialist leanings have certainly softened over the years to be more pragmatic (much like New Labour). I don't mind admitting this, I'm not claiming to be anything else. More to the point, I don't want to be anything else - politics is by its very definition subjective. There's no right or wrong answer, there's no absolutes, everything is relative, nothing is quantifiable, and ultimately its all about your values and beliefs, and what type of country you want to live in. Or at least it should be. Anyway, I have to be completely objective in my work and that's enough for me thanks.

 

So no, I don't consider myself to be remotely balanced about partisan politics. But the difference between us is, I recognise this fact. You, who describe yourself as 'dyed in-the-wool tory', pretend you're not partisan, and worse, have the sheer audacity to claim you're somehow more objective than everyone else. You then simply ignore anyone who provides evidence to the contrary about this (not just me I might add). To sum up, you've got your head so far stuck up your own arse you simply have no self awareness at all. :icon_lol:

 

 

Im confused Renton, I believed you when you said that you believed you were at the center of british politics not so long ago? now your saying you're staunch left wing?

 

So in other words, you were lying when you said that?? or have i got the wrong end of the stick here??

 

Will the real Renton please stand up, please stand up, please stand up............. etc.

 

;):D

 

tbh, Both CT and Renton are as bad as each other in this thread with neither willing to take a backward step.

 

 

I would say I'm centre left in political persuasion. I don't really understand your point, if you even have one.

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There's not liking the fella and what he stands for and there's the of prejudging everything he says with that sentiment.

 

Craig yesterday

 

 

This is what were discussing Renty before your card carrying speech.

 

I tried to clarify that I, while a Tory, can appreciate good policy and good politicians regardless of what party they come from.

 

Your bias seems unable to let you do the same, hence craigs comments.

 

Not true at all. The Conservatives have had many great politicians, I fully recognise that. I just don't rate Cameron as one of them. As for your so-called objectivity, I have rated Cameron's PMQ session as 'adequate', which is probably in line with most professional commentators (I listened to it live as well I might add, not just the highlights which you did). You, in post 42 of this thread, gave a cringeworthy appraisal practically claiming that Cameron was the Messiah of the UK and politics. It should be obvious to everyone who is the more objective here - everyone apart from yourself of course.

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I don't really understand your point, if you even have one.

 

 

christ man, pipe down! you're making a fool of yourself!

 

the point is Renton, you are deluded. you try and convince yourself that just because someone asked a question to which the questionee didnt know the answer is in some way a 'victory' or a 'meritous occasion' for the party of the questioner.

 

believe me it isnt a big deal or even an unusual occurance at PMQ.

 

;)

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I don't really understand your point, if you even have one.

 

 

christ man, pipe down! you're making a fool of yourself!

 

the point is Renton, you are deluded. you try and convince yourself that just because someone asked a question to which the questionee didnt know the answer is in some way a 'victory' or a 'meritous occasion' for the party of the questioner.

 

believe me it isnt a big deal or even an unusual occurance at PMQ.

 

;)

 

Well no actually. Firstly, I was defending myself from one of your typically unfounded comments, which I see you haven't bothered responded to. Hardly see how that means I am making a fool of myself, I am deluded, or that I need to pipe down.

 

As for the second, part, you have completely missed the point. I'm not saying it is unusual for the PM to duck questions. What I am saying though is that it means that the session did not show Cameron to be exceptional in this particular PMQ, as has been suggested by CT. Would you agree with that?

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