ewerk 26282 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Look at that bloody MSM. Continuing to report on scurrilous accusations attacking the Labour Party brought to them by *checks notes* Labour MPs. Edited April 14, 2019 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 We knew it was Labour MPs anyway didn't we? I don't think you follow the thrust of my argument on this Still though, I guess that's another front page for Gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19808 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Again, I’d put it to you Rayvin, is this not newsworthy? Though the BBC, guardian and other MSM websites aren’t splashing with it, notably. Just the times, because it was their scoop. This story actually paints Corbyn in a much better light over Labour’s antisemitism problem as he actually admits there is a genuine problem. Why he can’t say this stuff on the record is beyond me. All he has done in this recording of a private conversation is admit what I have been saying all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19808 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 So essentially, what I’m saying, is I’m right, you’re wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Tbh mate, I wasn't looking to get into this again I haven't read the story. Let's just agree that you're right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19808 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Yes, let’s always agree that I’m right. I like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Oh dear, the MSM is at it again. Forcing Labour shadow Cabinet members to lie about what they've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Owen Jones going with the 'you have to vote Labour to defeat the Brexit Party' line. Conveniently ignoring the fact that Labour are officially pro-Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Indeed. Labour need to fucking earn that particular statement. It's kind of heartening to see that UKIP's swing to the right has failed to rally any significant support to them though. I would prefer we lost to the Brexit Party than UKIP. Assuming the Labour voter base is almost entirely Remain (big assumption, I know), I think we can infer the following: Leave - 49% Remain - 47% Not sure where the other 4% has gone, maybe on independents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3977 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 So you still don't accept that Labour voters outside of the cities are still pro-brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, NJS said: So you still don't accept that Labour voters outside of the cities are still pro-brexit? It's not that, it's just that presumably if they're pro-Brexit, they're backing Brexit parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I mean the alternative seems to be that we accept that comfortably north of 50% of the country is pro-leave, which seems... counter to any polls I've seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38733 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I mean the alternative seems to be that we accept that comfortably north of 50% of the country is pro-leave, which seems... counter to any polls I've seen? Never, ever, underestimate just how fucking stupid the vast majority of ordinary people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9195 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: Never, ever, underestimate just how fucking stupid the vast majority of ordinary people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3977 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Rayvin said: It's not that, it's just that presumably if they're pro-Brexit, they're backing Brexit parties. They may still vote Labour with the current policy which attempts to satisfy both sides - coming out as pure remain/second ref might cost them those votes offseting the gains - that's what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I’m not sure the normal party loyalties apply to European elections, particularly this one and especially for pro-Brexiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3977 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 It is ironic to see all the "we have no say" fuckers voting though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Well when they elect absolute chancers who rarely bother showing up to do their job then maybe I can see where they get that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19808 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Fucking hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Ignore the fact that we've been back and forth on this to death, because actually what I'm about to ask is a genuine question rather than a challenge. Is that antisemitism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Nah, it's the views of a completely normal, rational human being. Nothing to ... SIEG HEIL!... see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3193 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Ignore the fact that we've been back and forth on this to death, because actually what I'm about to ask is a genuine question rather than a challenge. Is that antisemitism? Do you accept the difference between Zionism and Israeli illegal occupation and expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I think the "genuine Jews" comment is leading towards some manner of anti-semitic statement for sure. Is that the main issue? I'm just a bit concerned that the main issue might be the attack on "Zionists". This is of course clearly not antisemitism (and would affect non-Jews in Labour as well, if I understand it correctly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3193 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: I think the "genuine Jews" comment is leading towards some manner of anti-semitic statement for sure. Is that the main issue? I'm just a bit concerned that the main issue might be the attack on "Zionists". This is of course clearly not antisemitism (and would affect non-Jews in Labour as well, if I understand it correctly). How is it clearly not anti semitism and what qualifies you to make that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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