ewerk 26182 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Gemmill said: Lisa Nandy is considering a leadership challenge. I'd need to hear a bit more from her but I'd prefer her to RLB. Hold on a minute there. Not just a female leader but a lesbian too? The lisp thing works for women as well, doesn’t it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38562 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aye, that's the thing. Especially given that we outnumber them. We need proportional representation. Which is apparently Farage's next move politically, so maybe we need to get to a point where we're backing Farage..? Just to get the right outcome in the end... I’d prefer to get to a point where a bloke who’s failed to become an MP multiple times has a far lesser say in British politics. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34168 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 This'll be his Reform Party that there's been talk about. He was saying the other day that he's already registered the name of his next venture. If he succeeds with PR then happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: This'll be his Reform Party that there's been talk about. He was saying the other day that he's already registered the name of his next venture. If he succeeds with PR then happy days. I mean that's it. Much as I hate the cunt if he now morphs into some kind of legitimate voice of the working class and weaponises their vote into achieving PR then I'll back him next time out. Tactical voting for Reform or any other party backing PR What have we come to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38562 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 What will his next single issue party after that be? The GoHomeBlackPeople Party The ItWasBetterBeforeTheGays Party Give your fucking heads a shake lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: What will his next single issue party after that be? The GoHomeBlackPeople Party The ItWasBetterBeforeTheGays Party Give your fucking heads a shake lads. Yeah but who cares about that if we get PR? It permanently fucks the right in this country. And probably the extreme left, but even so. It should be nectar from heaven for all you centrists Edited December 15, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34168 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I'm not talking about voting for him. I'm just saying that if he somehow achieves reform of the electoral system I wouldn't have a problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17625 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Fucking hell. I leave the board for half a day and when I come back everyone is a Faragist. This country. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Love the sentiment but we had a referendum on the alternative vote as recently as 2011. As much as I’d love PR, it isn’t going to happen, is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38562 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 And we love sticking by the result of refendums, come what may, don’t we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I mean, it'll happen if we start actively trying for it. It's not like any of the big parties were remotely interested in it back in 2011. If Labour went all in on it with Farage in tow, I don't see why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38562 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I mean, it'll happen if we start actively trying for it. It's not like any of the big parties were remotely interested in it back in 2011. If Labour went all in on it with Farage in tow, I don't see why not. Because he’s a massive racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 AV was a terrible option as well, which didn’t help in 2011. In other news, it’s not that long ago lying about your job in a campaign would have lead to serious questions about your future as an MP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Because he’s a massive racist? So we can work with a massive racist, or we can be ruled over by massive racists. I though pragmatism was the order of the day now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob032 38 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Farage backing a cause that would be popular with the working class is simply an exercise in reducing Labour votes, just like UKIP was and just like the Brexit Party is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38562 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So we can work with a massive racist, or we can be ruled over by massive racists. I though pragmatism was the order of the day now? How quickly, to the nearest nanosecond, do you think Farage’s backers would pull the rug out from under him at the first hint of him courting the left wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I don't know, maybe we let him run with it a bit and build up momentum first. I'm just saying, if we're going to be pragmatic now then it makes sense. We're fucked without PR and I'm prepared to live with Farage if it saves us from 15 years of the Tories. If he gets the idea into the heads of the working classes, who he is far better suited to communicate with apparently, even if they pull the rug out we can pick up where he left off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I think there's been discussions and debates at Labour conferences about PR without really getting anywhere - maybe there'll be more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34168 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Tories would be 81 seats down at the current election under PR. I think Labour would only be up around 6 or so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Labour had a fucking mare though in terms of the popular vote. In any case, a Greens/LD/Labour pact wouldn’t be a bad thing. Especially considering the alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 10m isn't that bad. It's higher than one of Blair's victories. But yes, coalition of the left! Except the LDs aren't the left.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Thought this was a bit childish & puerile https://www.facebook.com/groups/618955365312116/ so I signed up immediately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Journalists holding journalists to account is where we are at the fag end of the second decade of the second millennium... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9168 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not sure that PR is the answer, because it can result in smaller single agenda "parties" carrying huge sway. In fact, it is more likely to get someone like Farage calling the shots, because you need to do a deal with him to get your legislation over the line, because you no longer hold a majority. It seems to give much more power to those on the far right or far left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16498 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not taken fuck all notice in the GE since Friday. Been great for the mind. Spoke to my Brother in law last night. He went to the footy with the old man and his mates. father in law lives on the edge of Chesterfield. They're comfortable, no issues. Chesterfield on the other hand is a fucking dive. Struggling like most northern cities. His mates are similar to him, they all work together and have been at the company decades. They're not at risk. When I've been out with them before they moan about shops shutting in Chesterfield, or one of their kids losing their jobs etc. Last month one had an operation cancelled for the 3rd time and was gutted for it. Guess who they voted for Daft cunts deserve everything they get. Selfsih cunts. I asked my FIL why would he vote for the Tories when he has a son who works in the Public sector and has been told his job maybe at risk if Brexit happens. So he's spent the last 2 years shitting it. He has a daughter in law who works for the NHS too. They have had a couple of health issues also. My mother in law did something to her shoulder. They could easily pay to go private to get it sorted. Instead they waited 3 months for her to get it sorted. It was a painful 3 months too. They can kiss that good bye now and double that. I just do not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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