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1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

You'll need to explain that to me. They'd be the largest party but would have to form a coalition with others, and I don't recall the right wing vote getting above 50% in total. The Lib Dems again maybe, but they would have toned down the lunacy of the last 3 years. 

 

Unless you're operating a national list system then PR doesn't mean you get the exact number of seats that your vote share would suggest. Under a d'Hondt system the Conservatives would still have a majority after 2019, albeit significantly reduced.

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46 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Can anyone explain to why, like in the world, the Labour party wouldn't be all-in for PR regardless of their current lead in the polls?

 

Totally agree but then I can't fathom why they didn't do so after '97 when they had a majority of 180. Someone suggested Blair wanted PR but Brown didn't. 

Perhaps concerned that it'd change the voting dymanics - that people may be more open to voting Liberal Democrat and therefore reduce the potential of Labour's governing influence? I think it was Alex who said the other day that bringing other parties into play should be viewed as a positive. 

My Dad always said there's two considerations politically in this country -  your fundamental beliefs and then whether you want a Tory or Labour government. All thanks to FPtP.

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3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Unless you're operating a national list system then PR doesn't mean you get the exact number of seats that your vote share would suggest. Under a d'Hondt system the Conservatives would still have a majority after 2019, albeit significantly reduced.

 

As has been said before, I don't think 2019 is a fair representation of voting intention. It was as much, if not more, about voting for Brexit / against Corbyn than necessarily voting Tory. 

This 'huge mandate' that the rattle on about time and time again is utter bollocks and classic spin.

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It's all academic anyway. We aren't gettin PR any time soon and I dislike Starmer more with each passing day. But I'll vote for him anyway, because the system he supports doesn't give me a choice. 

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44 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

I think you're probably right but that's ignoring the fact that the Brexit party would have taken a significant number of seats under a PR system.

 

Would it though? Would sufficient Tory and Labour voters have leapt from the comfortable familiarity of their regular party to some single issue fad? I'm not so sure.

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21 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Would it though? Would sufficient Tory and Labour voters have leapt from the comfortable familiarity of their regular party to some single issue fad? I'm not so sure.

 

Given that they weren't formed until 2018 I doubt they would have had much of an impact in the 2017 election. Thanks for making me look an absolute dick, Dave.

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14 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Given that they weren't formed until 2018 I doubt they would have had much of an impact in the 2017 election. Thanks for making me look an absolute dick, Dave.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

 

 

 

(Disclaimer: Until the above, Dave had no idea about when the election was, let alone when the Brexit Party was formed. This should not in any way take victory from him, because he needs this win.)

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59 minutes ago, ohhh_yeah said:

 

"Google searches for pegging have increased a whopping 400% since the news broke; meanwhile, PornHub Insights reports that searches containing “strap-on” have increased by 98% in the United Kingdom."

 

MF - he's stealing your porn stars! xP? 

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9 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

It's the Labour party conference, it'd be a bit of a surprise if he didn't

 

Yes, I know. :cuppa: The point I was getting at it's being billed as a fairly significant one. 

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Rupa Huq making a fucking idiot of herself calling Kwarteng "superficially...a black man" and saying "if you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he's black".

 

Well played daft shite, you can always rely on some dipshit in the Labour Party to help the Tories out when they're flailing. 

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Starmer loves mentioning his pebbledashed childhood home.

 

Missed the opportunity to spice things up by adding a little aside about the number of times he pebbledashed the bog in it. 

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10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

pleasingly dull speech from starmer. a boring safe pair of hands is exactly what the country needs 

 

I'm not sure about this personally. We've gone beyond that. No solutions to our rotten constitution, no solution to Brexit. Tinkering around the edges just doesn't cut it for me. 

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Constitutional reform and undoing Brexit as a centrepiece of that speech would have been an absolute gift to the Tories. 

 

Anyway, you'll be back onside in 3 days, so let's just wait rather than argue. 

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