Meenzer 17787 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Whereas this is sadly not a parody 😬 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8124 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 What in the hell is wrong with people man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 61822 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Might send it to my mam and ask what she's doing in London? Or I could just ask her later when she offers me her political and economic expertise as I set up a simple password manager for her cos she can't do it herself, and is hideously exposed by using the same password for FUCKING EVERYTHING. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 15932 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 21 hours ago, Meenzer said: Whereas this is sadly not a parody 😬 "STP THE BATS" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq23y4nz0o Why isn't this headlined as a terrorist act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 41797 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 14 hours ago, wykikitoon said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq23y4nz0o Why isn't this headlined as a terrorist act? Because it isn’t. You need to prove political motivation I think. I would think that there either wasn’t any or it was too difficult to prove (as per the CPS) whereas the murder itself was not difficult to prove. Although I have absolutely zero doubt the reporting would be different and more widespread if the circumstances were reversed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26064 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Zack Polanski is starting to make waves. Exactly the sort of voice the left needs. He and Gary Stephenson could be the future of left wing politics this country needs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26064 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Tax wealth, not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27448 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 He's a good communicator, but he's also got the attributes of a populist. I don't care whether popularists are from the right or left, they are bad news for us. Polanski has some great slogans about hope, but he's economically illiterate. You can't just say "wealth tax" without explaining exactly what this would be. Who pays, how? How would you stop capital flight, how would you appease the bonds market? How would you tackle the deficit and natuonal debt and encourage investment? Were it really that simple, do you not think Reeves would have tapped into this at least a bit? Instead she puts one foot out of step and we are crucified by the markets risking huge interest rates hikes. Yeah, he'll be popular, thats what popularists do. He'll eat into the Labour Base further, especially with younger voters. But his base will never be as high as reforms, because Green idealists are massively outnumbered by Gammons. Farage will be rubbing his hands together. And fuck me, I haven't even mentioned the Greens ludicrous stance on nuclear energy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26064 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 5 minutes ago, Renton said: He's a good communicator, but he's also got the attributes of a populist. I don't care whether popularists are from the right or left, they are bad news for us. Polanski has some great slogans about hope, but he's economically illiterate. You can't just say "wealth tax" without explaining exactly what this would be. Who pays, how? How would you stop capital flight, how would you appease the bonds market? How would you tackle the deficit and natuonal debt and encourage investment? Were it really that simple, do you not think Reeves would have tapped into this at least a bit? Instead she puts one foot out of step and we are crucified by the markets risking huge interest rates hikes. Yeah, he'll be popular, thats what popularists do. He'll eat into the Labour Base further, especially with younger voters. But his base will never be as high as reforms, because Green idealists are massively outnumbered by Gammons. Farage will be rubbing his hands together. And fuck me, I haven't even mentioned the Greens ludicrous stance on nuclear energy. He’s proposed a tax of 1% on the assets of multimillionaires and 2% on billionaires. He’s the only politician brave enough to suggest he might implement the ideas Stephenson has been promoting. Labour want nothing to do with it but are happy to raise taxes on working people. He’s talking about making the 1% pay a higher share - it could add an extra £15-20bn to our public finances. If that’s populism, sign me up. I don’t think capital flight is something politicians should be running scared from. An expatriation tax could deter the super rich from moving their like overseas. Unfortunately I think Labour are handcuffed by wealthy donors who oppose this sort of move precisely because they’d be affected by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27448 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: He’s proposed a tax of 1% on the assets of multimillionaires and 2% on billionaires. He’s the only politician brave enough to suggest he might implement the ideas Stephenson has been promoting. Labour want nothing to do with it but are happy to raise taxes on working people. He’s talking about making the 1% pay a higher share - it could add an extra £15-20bn to our public finances. If that’s populism, sign me up. I don’t think capital flight is something politicians should be running scared from. An expatriation tax could deter the super rich from moving their like overseas. Unfortunately I think Labour are handcuffed by wealthy donors who oppose this sort of move precisely because they’d be affected by it. Reeves is handcuffed by the bonds market, not donors. Everyone is. On the one hand here, your saying he wants a modest wealth tax. These are usually one off taxes though. You cant repeatedly tax wealth, although you can raise capital gains and inheritance taxes which I'd support, but for some reason this is massively unpopular. Anyway. 15 to 20 Billion is peanuts in the grand scheme of things too. Hardly going to revolutionise public services. Kind of the point with trade offs. Do minor stuff, get small results. Do something more drastic, and there will be much more major consequences. None of this matters, he can say what he likes, he's not getting in power to implement it. Farage might be though. His economic policies are actually very to the left because, eell, popularist. They'd probably do as much damage to the country as his fascist shit. We'd be an overnight basket case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38788 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Didn’t France try a wealth tax and ended up having to abolish it when the result was actually a decrease in tax take from billionaires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26064 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Renton said: Reeves is handcuffed by the bonds market, not donors. Everyone is. On the one hand here, your saying he wants a modest wealth tax. These are usually one off taxes though. You cant repeatedly tax wealth, although you can raise capital gains and inheritance taxes which I'd support, but for some reason this is massively unpopular. Anyway. 15 to 20 Billion is peanuts in the grand scheme of things too. Hardly going to revolutionise public services. Kind of the point with trade offs. Do minor stuff, get small results. Do something more drastic, and there will be much more major consequences. None of this matters, he can say what he likes, he's not getting in power to implement it. Farage might be though. His economic policies are actually very to the left because, eell, popularist. They'd probably do as much damage to the country as his fascist shit. We'd be an overnight basket case. Have you listened to Gary Stephenson’s stuff? He’s pretty convincing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 61822 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Renton and ewerk on the side of the billionaires (and the paedophiles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38788 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Pipe down, Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27448 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 It's true though. Billionaires are almost by definition globalists. Many of them are psychopaths who are obsessed with their monetary wealth and don't want it taken away from them despite not needing it. I'd love to tax these cunts to death. Easier said than done though. I'm still a pragmatist and there is nothing pragmatic about the Green Party. They're idealists and actually fundamentally anti-scientific and irrational. We all want utopia but they're not delivering it. They'll help deliver Farage and make the world even more dystopian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9175 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 A wealth tax sounds great on paper, but I imagine it would be a fucking nightmare to action in reality. Most billionaires have their money tied up in companies/assets/foreign accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 61822 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Then they'd need to liquidate some assets. You don't get to tell HMRC sorry but my money's tied up in pinball machines atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8124 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 It's not like there wouldn't be a way if the will was there. And personally, if it came to 'capital flight' I'd just seize whatever they can't take with them. People need to understand that the obscene wealth some people have isn't earned, it's stolen through being able to play a fucking mental system very well AND having been born with enough money to do so. Either we find a way to peg them back, or we are all going to be struggling a lot more than we already are as the middle classes are completely annihilated. We can't just pragmatically sit there and wring our hands about this anymore, or the snapping point won't be a wealth tax, it'll be riots in the streets. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26064 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 6 hours ago, Renton said: Reeves is handcuffed by the bonds market, not donors. Everyone is. On the one hand here, your saying he wants a modest wealth tax. These are usually one off taxes though. You cant repeatedly tax wealth, although you can raise capital gains and inheritance taxes which I'd support, but for some reason this is massively unpopular. Anyway. 15 to 20 Billion is peanuts in the grand scheme of things too. Hardly going to revolutionise public services. Kind of the point with trade offs. Do minor stuff, get small results. Do something more drastic, and there will be much more major consequences. None of this matters, he can say what he likes, he's not getting in power to implement it. Farage might be though. His economic policies are actually very to the left because, eell, popularist. They'd probably do as much damage to the country as his fascist shit. We'd be an overnight basket case. a wealth tax isn’t going to spook the bond vigilantes the way Truss’s unfunded tax cuts did. You’re comparing apples with pears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38788 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 You think billionaires fleeing the country wouldn’t spook the markets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8124 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Trump has proven that the markets barely care what happens and will rally irrespective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 13 hours ago, Alex said: Because it isn’t. You need to prove political motivation I think. I would think that there either wasn’t any or it was too difficult to prove (as per the CPS) whereas the murder itself was not difficult to prove. Although I have absolutely zero doubt the reporting would be different and more widespread if the circumstances were reversed. But when a brown person does it. It's instantly a terrorist act 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 8 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Zack Polanski is starting to make waves. Exactly the sort of voice the left needs. He and Gary Stephenson could be the future of left wing politics this country needs Have you read Stephensons book. It's decent but he does come across as a cunt. He got his dad a.sky sports subscription as a thank you his 6 figure bonus. When he moved out he cancelled it 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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