NJS 5276 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Thing is I get the argument that there's nothing to be gained from calling Reform leaning voters racist even if it's generally true and I think saying to the same cohort "you were completely wrong to vote for brexit" could be seen as equally unrewarding. The honesty is welcome though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62818 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 You don't tell them they were wrong, you tell them they were lied to by the wide mouthed scruffy toothed cunt that they're all gaga for. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12299 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 38 minutes ago, Renton said: Not sure I follow. Labour definitely truly believe Brexit has shafted us. I'm glad they've finally got the guts to say it. Let me rephrase it ... why do you think they've 'finally got the guts to say it'? Because it's the obvious angle of attack on Reform who they now see as a credible threat to their re-election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62818 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Well it's also because they're having to make a load of unpalatable decisions in the next budget, a lot of which will break manifesto promises, and they need to now be honest about the causes/not be so meek that they end up taking the blame for all of the current woes themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27714 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Aye, they just didn't want to say it until they had to. Am not saying the strategy is correct but they clearly thought until now the benefits of saying nowt outweighed pissing people like us off. Now their calculus has shifted. Should they have gone sooner? Probably, but who knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26277 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 2 hours ago, Alex said: They’ve probably only said it so they can use it to attack Farage / Reform. it’s a perfect attack line. Make Farage wear it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5139 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Blah blah. There still not doing anything about it. I hardly think they deserve praise for daring to mention Brexit at this stage. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26277 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 15 minutes ago, Renton said: Aye, they just didn't want to say it until they had to. Am not saying the strategy is correct but they clearly thought until now the benefits of saying nowt outweighed pissing people like us off. Now their calculus has shifted. Should they have gone sooner? Probably, but who knows. they’ve been absolutely Chicken shit on it to date. I sorta understand why they didn’t want to talk about it before the last election but it’s as clear as day now - a majority of people in the country now believe brexit was a bad idea. It’s demonstrably made us all poorer. What a relief they’re finally brave enough to say what we all know to be true out loud. It can now also be linked to small boats. We had lower immigration numbers pre-Brexit. You don’t need to suddenly start campaigning to rejoin - just say it how it is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8266 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 I genuinely do think politicians in this country are fearful of leadership. They react to things rather than dictate the flow. Labour could have come out a year ago and said Brexit was a total bollocks and is going to take time to fix, that they're respecting the position we're in was delivered by democratic vote but that doesn't mean that the outcomes are all amazing. But they'll do what they can while respecting the vote. What would that honestly have cost them, the daft little bellends? Reform voters have at precisely no point been seduced into voting for Labour, they have just wasted everyone's time in pandering to them, serving only to piss off their own voters in the process. Labour's "strategy" is pathetic. It is weak, lacking in vision, and entirely reactive. This country badly needs some actual fucking leadership. People who don't live in fucking fear of reality. I'd go so far as to say Labour would be polling higher now if they had just been honest from the start. They couldn't exactly be doing worse. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5139 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I genuinely do think politicians in this country are fearful of leadership. They react to things rather than dictate the flow. Labour could have come out a year ago and said Brexit was a total bollocks and is going to take time to fix, that they're respecting the position we're in was delivered by democratic vote but that doesn't mean that the outcomes are all amazing. But they'll do what they can while respecting the vote. What would that honestly have cost them, the daft little bellends? Reform voters have at precisely no point been seduced into voting for Labour, they have just wasted everyone's time in pandering to them, serving only to piss off their own voters in the process. Labour's "strategy" is pathetic. It is weak, lacking in vision, and entirely reactive. This country badly needs some actual fucking leadership. People who don't live in fucking fear of reality. I'd go so far as to say Labour would be polling higher now if they had just been honest from the start. They couldn't exactly be doing worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6682 Posted October 15 Author Share Posted October 15 People will vote reform because they are not Labour / Conservative. They are new and and bit of lad / Clarkson. Only way of beating it is with charismatic leadership, which neither party have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39106 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Have I missed a massive change of tact from Labour? Reeves seemed to be forced into admitting it by the interviewer. It doesn’t look like they’ve suddenly turned all pro-EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8266 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Have I missed a massive change of tact from Labour? Reeves seemed to be forced into admitting it by the interviewer. It doesn’t look like they’ve suddenly turned all pro-EU. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm desperately clinging to any acknowledgement of truth by politicians at this point as being something worth celebrating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12299 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 46 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: they’ve been absolutely Chicken shit on it to date. I sorta understand why they didn’t want to talk about it before the last election but it’s as clear as day now - a majority of people in the country now believe brexit was a bad idea. It’s demonstrably made us all poorer. What a relief they’re finally brave enough to say what we all know to be true out loud. It can now also be linked to small boats. We had lower immigration numbers pre-Brexit. You don’t need to suddenly start campaigning to rejoin - just say it how it is All Brexit achieved in terms of immigrants was move the problem from the camps in Calais to the beaches of Kent - i.e. from France to England. And the racist cunts who voted for it are too fucking stupid to understand that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12299 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 48 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I genuinely do think politicians in this country are fearful of leadership. They react to things rather than dictate the flow. Labour could have come out a year ago and said Brexit was a total bollocks and is going to take time to fix, that they're respecting the position we're in was delivered by democratic vote but that doesn't mean that the outcomes are all amazing. But they'll do what they can while respecting the vote. What would that honestly have cost them, the daft little bellends? Reform voters have at precisely no point been seduced into voting for Labour, they have just wasted everyone's time in pandering to them, serving only to piss off their own voters in the process. Labour's "strategy" is pathetic. It is weak, lacking in vision, and entirely reactive. This country badly needs some actual fucking leadership. People who don't live in fucking fear of reality. I'd go so far as to say Labour would be polling higher now if they had just been honest from the start. They couldn't exactly be doing worse. Labour was getting in last summer no matter what. It was a perfect opportunity to call out Brexit for the disaster it was, but they chose to turn a blind eye. So forgive me if I'm not awash with praise for them for bringing it up now. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alex 42027 Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 40 minutes ago, Isegrim said: Makes you think 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meenzer 17963 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Anyone been following the new Conservative policy on deporting legal permanent residents? They seem to be taking "First They Came" as an instruction manual rather than a warning... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62818 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 2 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Anyone been following the new Conservative policy on deporting legal permanent residents? They seem to be taking "First They Came" as an instruction manual rather than a warning... Aye it's the horror that they've got their eye on as the next rising star in the party that's behind it all. Rising star for them roughly translates as people prepared to say the worst shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8266 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Who is that then? I thought Jenrick was the enemy over that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62818 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 I think she's called Katie Lam. She looks like she was made in a lab from the parts of lesser young conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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