Howmanheyman 43811 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Unfortunately, and for a good reason, they're wary about potential booby traps that they'll get tenfold in comparison to the conservatives and fifty fold regarding reform who somehow continue to get both unprecedented coverage for their level of MPs yet zero real scrutiny as they're not taken seriously by the media. I don't understand how that works regarding reform unless the media see farage political company LTD as purely a ratings opportunity or easy journalism? Getting back to labour, it's fine to be wary knowing you have extra scrutiny plus knowing no matter what you do your words/deeds will be contorted, stretched and made up by the RW rags but sometimes, just sometimes maybe you need to be a bit honest or make a point that will land with your voters and potential voters which isn't reform voters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26305 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 they would do well to take lessons from mamdani's win instead of pretending they've never heard of him 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5169 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 It's fucking pathetic. Congratulate his campaign and wish the city well. Its not fucking hard Treating voters like idiots 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 25 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Unfortunately, and for a good reason, they're wary about potential booby traps that they'll get tenfold in comparison to the conservatives and fifty fold regarding reform who somehow continue to get both unprecedented coverage for their level of MPs yet zero real scrutiny as they're not taken seriously by the media. I don't understand how that works regarding reform unless the media see farage political company LTD as purely a ratings opportunity or easy journalism? Getting back to labour, it's fine to be wary knowing you have extra scrutiny plus knowing no matter what you do your words/deeds will be contorted, stretched and made up by the RW rags but sometimes, just sometimes maybe you need to be a bit honest or make a point that will land with your voters and potential voters which isn't reform voters. Or perhaps you just need some principles that you actually fucking believe in and not spout what you just think people want to hear/what the thinktanks say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43811 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Just now, Toonpack said: Or perhaps you just need some principles that you actually fucking believe in and not spout what you just think people want to hear/what the thinktanks say. You'd like to think they have general core labour principles somewhere but are shit scared to use them unless they really are careerists who couldn't give a fuck? (Just slightly more of a fuck than the traditional opposition). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 13 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: You'd like to think they have general core labour principles somewhere but are shit scared to use them unless they really are careerists who couldn't give a fuck? (Just slightly more of a fuck than the traditional opposition). Thing is, if you're scared to use/stick to them, are they really your core principles 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43811 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Thing is, if you're scared to use/stick to them, are they really your core principles 🤷♂️ I did say 'you'd like to think', TP. They need to seriously read the fucking room if they have those principles deep down but are suppressing them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62968 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 If Bridget was in this position 10 years ago, she'd have been glowing with praise and saying that it showed that the left has a future etc. The view on what's acceptable to say in this country has shifted so fucking far to the right that they darent even speak now. They'd rather look like a lying fool than look like a lefty. If they're not careful, Labour will face the same sort of extinction event that the Tories have just faced. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6685 Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 Maybe she is genuinely busy and knows little about his candidacy, unlike you American obsessed weirdos. Perfectly fine answer imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8294 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 It's a perfectly fine answer if it's honest. It's not perfectly fine if she's been briefed to avoid enraging Trump. I don't really think it's on her either way mind, the fact that this country is kowtowing to the guy in the way we are is another example of why we should have been throwing in as equal partners with Europe, rather than as a vassal state with America. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Thing is, it is SOOOO easy to fight (if there's a will) go on the fucking offensive, expose Farage and his crew's dirty (probably Russian) money, don't cow-tow to the meathead vote, they're irredeemable and won't fucking vote for you anyway, but you could make it very uncomfortable, or untenable even, for them to vote for the grifting charlatans. Widely expose all the Tory corruption. That fight wouldn't even be seen as "lefty" it'd be seen as the right thing to do. The current US is Bidens fault, he had four years to destroy Trump and marginalise MAGA but "oh no" he had to be conciliatory and account for their "feelings" and "concerns", illegitimate as they are, and now they end up with Orange Turbo-Farage as POTUS and the yank Yaxley-Lennon as Homeland Security adviser with numerous non qualified (except in their far right beliefs) placemen in all corners of power. Starmer et al are making exactly the same mistake. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62968 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 24 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Maybe she is genuinely busy and knows little about his candidacy, unlike you American obsessed weirdos. Perfectly fine answer imo. I mean, if she's not aware of him then it's a dereliction of duty cos it's a left wing politician who has run an incredible campaign and come from nowhere, against a very hostile media, to win an election. But as you well know, the all get given their "lines to take" before they go out in front of the press, and it isn't remotely conceivable that Mamdani was missed off that because it's an absolutely massive international story. She's been told to say she isn't aware of him, I'm sure of it. Which is why she looked like a glitching robot with her turbo blinking. Let's see if they improve the line for the next time one of them gets asked or if this story has escaped ALL of their attentions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27739 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I mean, if she's not aware of him then it's a dereliction of duty cos it's a left wing politician who has run an incredible campaign and come from nowhere, against a very hostile media, to win an election. But as you well know, the all get given their "lines to take" before they go out in front of the press, and it isn't remotely conceivable that Mamdani was missed off that because it's an absolutely massive international story. She's been told to say she isn't aware of him, I'm sure of it. Which is why she looked like a glitching robot with her turbo blinking. Let's see if they improve the line for the next time one of them gets asked or if this story has escaped ALL of their attentions. It's absurd to think she doesnt listen to the rest is politics etc. So, she's lying. It's lying that has got us here. Btw, I am fucking less than impressed by her performance as education minister. Breakfast clubs are all well and good, but you need to properly fund them. My kids school is now laying off teachers, scrapped teaching German as a language, and is sending my kid home early twice a week. She isnt getting anywhere near enough 1 to 1 in maths so I have to pay a tutor which is bankrupting me. On top of that I literally pay the school extra money so they can keep other essentials. Absolute shambles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43811 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 (edited) The labour DT brothers: "I hope we don't get any questions about that lad in New York who got elected." "What's your opinion of that bloke who got elected in New York?" "Arrrrghhh!" Edited December 1 by Howmanheyman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62968 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Renton said: It's absurd to think she doesnt listen to the rest is politics etc. So, she's lying. It's lying that has got us here. Btw, I am fucking less than impressed by her performance as education minister. Breakfast clubs are all well and good, but you need to properly fund them. My kids school is now laying off teachers, scrapped teaching German as a language, and is sending my kid home early twice a week. She isnt getting anywhere near enough 1 to 1 in maths so I have to pay a tutor which is bankrupting me. On top of that I literally pay the school extra money so they can keep other essentials. Absolute shambles. Their answer to everything re schools is that it needs to come from existing school budgets. Which they know is an impossible ask cos the schools can barely afford to run as it is. They're a fucking joke. At this rate I'll be voting Green unless I HAVE to vote Labour in my seat to try and keep Reform out. Which I suspect will be the case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62968 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Ugh he's an Arsenal fan! At least he seems to have a genuine interest in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12320 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 36 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Which is why she looked like a glitching robot with her turbo blinking. Evidenced more than once in the Trent over the years, no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9298 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 So is the surge in interest in the Green Party a flash in the pan, or are they now a genuine option for Centre and Left leaning voters who feel politically homeless. Polanski has a personality at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39120 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 I can see them being the left wing version of Reform (though not as popular). The difference is that they’ll face much more scrutiny for their plans than Reform will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 We have a new Lego head, I repeat, we have a new Lego head!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8294 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Labour minister briefing earlier that the Green's undeliverable promises will let voters down. What is it that he thinks we all think about Labour's promises, i wonder... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 9861 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 (edited) Did Labour actually promise any major reform? I remember the lead up to the election being pretty underwhelmed but thinking they were just sitting on the fence to get into power. Edited November 9 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8294 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Holden McGroin said: Did Labour actually promise any major reform? I remember the lead up to the election being pretty underwhelmed but thinking they were just sitting on the fence to get into power. It depends how far back you want to go I suppose. Starmer reneged on pretty much everything in his leadership manifesto and Labour themselves I am sure have backtracked on a few issues while pointing the finger at that spending black hole left by the Tories. Tax being one of them I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62968 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Resignations at the top of the BBC amid ridiculous claims that they're too left wing. Resignations which have been personally welcomed by Donald Trump after his swivel eyed spokeswoman called the BBC "100% fake news". All nice and normal stuff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 13434 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Coup and an inside job according to this fella https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/10/bbc-resignations-internal-coup-says-former-sun-editor-david-yelland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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