Alex 30393 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The media have been fucking desperate, more than usual. I've been on backshift all week and have watched the BBC news at one. Their political correspondent definitely puts a pro-Tory slant on his pieces steering the news in an irrelevant way. Think Nick Robinson is a Tory going back to his Oxbridge days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I agree to some extent but the Tories are nowhere near the centre. They might have seemed that way in opposition pre 2010 but the vicious attacks on the poor and pandering to extreme rich interests show their true colours. Stupid thing is as others have said if you ask people what they think of policies, they approve "left wing" ones to a huge extent but still are reluctant to vote for parties with those policies. This shows the huge influence of the media IMO. I think it just shows human nature. It's a lot easier to agree with the nice stuff but not the hard decisions. It's like the Lib Dems. They used to always put forward plans to raise income tax by 2p to solve lots of problems. It got them nowhere. Even in 2010 they could happily offer cloud cuckoo stuff because they didn't expect power. They've learnt where as the greens and UKIP can still promise the world because they know they won't have to deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30393 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I think it just shows human nature. It's a lot easier to agree with the nice stuff but not the hard decisions. It's like the Lib Dems. They used to always put forward plans to raise income tax by 2p to solve lots of problems. It got them nowhere. Even in 2010 they could happily offer cloud cuckoo stuff because they didn't expect power. They've learnt where as the greens and UKIP can still promise the world because they know they won't have to deliver. Don't really think that's the case. They could've demanded more and dug their heels in. Because they chose power as opposed to sticking to their principles it appears their share of the vote and their number of MPs will be greatly reduced. So, if anything, the opposite to what you say is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34433 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 So, if anything, the opposite to what you say is the case. Dismantled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34433 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Final Ipsos-Mori poll has it 36/35 to the Tories. Interestingly, their last poll was 36/30 Tory, so the momentum seems to be with Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Which of their major policies do you consider to be centrist then? And how are they the same as the Tories on those issues? It's not fucking question time Alex Every budget the minority SNP government got through, only got through because the Torys backed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) There's no left any more. All parties realise you have to be con the centre to get anywhere. Phrases like left leaning simply makes Labour voters feel better about themselves. Real Labour is long dead. i would take retreat on austerity. that would be a substantial move to the left compared to what we've had to live through the past five years. Edited May 7, 2015 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26800 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Think Nick Robinson is a Tory going back to his Oxbridge days. It was Norman Smith I was referring to, Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Think Nick Robinson is a Tory going back to his Oxbridge days. he is a massive tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's not fucking question time Alex Every budget the minority SNP government got through, only got through because the Torys backed them. Tories, you muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 i would take retreat on austerity. that would be a substantial move to the left than what we've had to live through the past five years. Then vote Conservative and Austerity will be over in two years. If Labour get in it may, MAY, be a little bit more subtle, but WILL last a whole lot longer. If it's Labour backed by SNP, then longer still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34433 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 See the Telegraph sent out an email to anyone who had agreed to receive marketing messages from them warning them of the perils of voting for Labour. Absolutely shitting themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26800 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 See the Telegraph sent out an email to anyone who had agreed to receive marketing messages from them warning them of the perils of voting for Labour. Absolutely shitting themselves. Un-elected media, owned by non doms, helping out the Conservative party is fine apparently and never worthy of being mentioned. Trade Union leaders, elected by their members advising their members who would likely vote Labour anyway, to vote for Miliband, is usually 'Union Barons flexing their muscles'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Then vote Conservative and Austerity will be over in two years. If Labour get in it may, MAY, be a little bit more subtle, but WILL last a whole lot longer. If it's Labour backed by SNP, then longer still. austerity will continue under the tories for longer than they say for reasons already outlined - they planned to cut the deficit by the end of this parliament and failed. i expect the same to happen next time due to the nature of the recovery. the deficit will continue to remain sizeable under the tory plan - the severity of their cuts will mean living standards will continue to decline, productivity will remain low and consequently tax receipts won't grow. you don't grow your economy by cutting it to shreds, like the tories have done, and will continue to do. i reject labour's economic plan too - they're also signed up to more austerity, which i why i voted green, albeit one which involves less pain than the plan the tories have put forward. the tories want to eliminate the entire deficit and run a small surplus. not likely given their track record but they're basically aiming for tax receipts to be higher than spending. in other words - cuts or tax rises of between 4-5 per cent of GDP. labour meanwhile are saying they only want to balance the current budget - tax rises or cuts of around 3 per cent of GDP. that's a difference of about £20-40bn. so a sizeable gulf between the two parties. i personally would have liked to see labour take the SNP's stance on the economy and make the case to the british people that it dosen't have to be this way. Edited May 7, 2015 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3978 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The deficit has nothing to do with tory austerity - its ideological destruction of the welfare state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17756 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Un-elected media, owned by non doms, helping out the Conservative party is fine apparently and never worthy of being mentioned. Trade Union leaders, elected by their members advising their members who would likely vote Labour anyway, to vote for Miliband, is usually 'Union Barons flexing their muscles'. Aye, this. The press in this country is a cancer. I'm not with it with the kids so wouldn't know, but is social media providing a counter balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The deficit has nothing to do with tory austerity - its ideological destruction of the welfare state. correct. i don't understand why this isn't the biggest debate of this election. a real labour opposition would take the SNP line on austerity but they're in such a flap about being seen as tough on the economy in middle england that they've completely abandoned their principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17756 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) correct. i don't understand why this isn't the biggest debate of this election. a real labour opposition would take the SNP line on austerity but they're in such a flap about being seen as tough on the economy in middle england that they've completely abandoned their principles. Fear of the press I guess. I suspect Labour advisors will know more than us in what it takes to win a general election. The Tory narrative has stuck and they have press control and idiots like CT lap it up. Edited May 7, 2015 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34433 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The argument on austerity has been lost. If Labour had come into this election with a campaign to unwind austerity and get back to spending, they would have been absolutely slaughtered for it and certainly wouldn't be in the position they are now. You can't educate the electorate on it because the right wing media are too powerful and too vocal - it would have been "HERE WE GO AGAIN!" headlines, and they would have been way down in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 correct. i don't understand why this isn't the biggest debate of this election. a real labour opposition would take the SNP line on austerity but they're in such a flap about being seen as tough on the economy in middle england that they've completely abandoned their principles. Like most airy fairy parties the SNP can say what they like because they don't have to run an economy. They just get their allowance and divvy it up. Labour look to be finished in Scotland. At that last election the conservatives got over 100 more seats in England than Labour. There's no way Labour will ever get a majority again in England again and no way the English will tolerate the SNP running the show at every election. Big changes will follow this election be that voting reform or Scottish independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38746 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 CT thinks we're in his taxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 CT thinks we're in his taxi. Or at one of his drug orgies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26800 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Like most airy fairy parties the SNP can say what they like because they don't have to run an economy. They just get their allowance and divvy it up. Labour look to be finished in Scotland. At that last election the conservatives got over 100 more seats in England than Labour. There's no way Labour will ever get a majority again in England again and no way the English will tolerate the SNP running the show at every election. Big changes will follow this election be that voting reform or Scottish independence. Socialist values = 'Airy Fairy' Fuck you lot, I'm all right, Jack = 'Running an economy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19819 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Like most airy fairy parties the SNP can say what they like because they don't have to run an economy. They just get their allowance and divvy it up. Labour look to be finished in Scotland. At that last election the conservatives got over 100 more seats in England than Labour. There's no way Labour will ever get a majority again in England again and no way the English will tolerate the SNP running the show at every election. Big changes will follow this election be that voting reform or Scottish independence. the one thing the tories have shown in the last five years is that an ideological move to shrink the state was more of a priority than looking after the UK economy. the SNP are unlikely to seek a mandate for a referendum again any time soon - they're certainly not fighting this election campaign on one and they can't risk another failure so close to the last one or it'll fall off the agenda in the short term. as for electoral reform, i don't see it happening either so soon after the AV referendum, unless labour do a coalition deal with the libdems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38746 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Or at one of his drug orgiesDifferent patter at those, usually along the lines of," Check your straps, Pet, then split me in half!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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