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47 minutes ago, Renton said:

I see. I was hoping she may have called him a cunt.

 

I do love the way she makes the gammons froth like. Middle aged white male gammons seem genuinely terrified of this tiny lass. Bizarre.

I think she as much as did that with the look she gave him as he walked past her. 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

:D

 

In 20-30 years time, those of us who survive the impending climate collapse will look back at Brexit and laugh at the absurdity of it, whilst we cook up some artisanal cockroach burgers on our parched desert island. 

At least it sounds like the weather will be nice :) 

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16 hours ago, Rayvin said:

SNP have come out and said they would back a VONC which presumably means they're comfortable with a Corbyn led government. Last time I checked Labour + the SNP were about 7 seats behind the Tories in numbers, so we'd need some independents to back it, or the Liberals - none of whom will.

 

So a government of national unity is out of the question at the moment I think, as the centrists won't countenance Corbyn.

 

SNP have, as predicted, confirmed they would back Corbyn in a temporary government. Not a shock really but we are now theoretically 6 seats smaller than the Tories.

 

EDIT - although I suppose they have the DUP still, so more like 16.

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4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

SNP have, as predicted, confirmed they would back Corbyn in a temporary government. Not a shock really but we are now theoretically 6 seats smaller than the Tories.

 

EDIT - although I suppose they have the DUP still, so more like 16.

 

Is that the relevant metric here, don't they need a majority?

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Just now, Dr Gloom said:

Lib Dems likely to be the kingmakers again. It turned out well last time so no need to panic 

 

I think that's unlikely since Swinson would have to swallow her pride a great deal now to back Labour. In fact I'd say she's made it impossible for herself.

 

I really don't think she's played this well at all for someone who supposedly wants to remain.

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Just now, Renton said:

 

Is that the relevant metric here, don't they need a majority?

 

They do, I just think it's interesting to watch the numbers change. The argument for Labour to take over becomes stronger once their support goes past that of the Tories IMO.

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2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I think that's unlikely since Swinson would have to swallow her pride a great deal now to back Labour. In fact I'd say she's made it impossible for herself.

 

I really don't think she's played this well at all for someone who supposedly wants to remain.

I think she will jump in bed with the Tories again.

Remember what happened to their school fees pledge the last time they had a sniff of power 

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Just now, Dr Gloom said:

I think she will jump in bed with the Tories again.

Remember what happened to their school fees pledge the last time they had a sniff of power 

 

Surely it's impossible for her to do that given the Brexit stances? I do think she's otherwise far more closely aligned to them, but I really think they have to get on board with Labour in the end, somehow.

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Just now, Rayvin said:

 

Surely it's impossible for her to do that given the Brexit stances? I do think she's otherwise far more closely aligned to them, but I really think they have to get on board with Labour in the end, somehow.

She ruled out working with Corbyn on the today programme the other morning. She wouldn’t do the same when asked about a future coalition with the Tories 

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Just now, Dr Gloom said:

She ruled out working with Corbyn on the today programme the other morning. She wouldn’t do the same when asked about a future coalition with the Tories 

 

Maybe once Brexit is out of the way? I cannot see how she reconciles Brexit with them at present.

 

Also, is she fucking mental?

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There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. 

 

It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. 

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Just now, Renton said:

There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. 

 

It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. 

 

Well apparently that's what she thinks herself. She's ruled out working with Labour but not the Tories, according to Gloom.

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3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Well apparently that's what she thinks herself. She's ruled out working with Labour but not the Tories, according to Gloom.

My bad. It was on Marr. She categorically refused to work with labour under Corbyn but dodged the question about another alliance with the Tories 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/09/15/on-andrew-marr-lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-hints-at-a-betrayal-worse-than-tuition-fees/amp/

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Just now, Dr Gloom said:

My bad. It was on Marr. She categorically refused to work with labour under Corbyn but dodged the question about another alliance with the Tories 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/09/15/on-andrew-marr-lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-hints-at-a-betrayal-worse-than-tuition-fees/amp/

 

Yeah so, this speaks volumes really. I don't think she's understood that her party are being buoyed by predominantly centre-left remainers. Who will more naturally gravitate to Corbyn than any Tory lite position.

 

Anyway, apparently there is a movement to get behind Margaret Beckett taking over as PM. Tory outcasts could support that, so presumably the LDs could too.

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13 minutes ago, Renton said:

There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. 

 

It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. 

She specifically criticised Johnson for increasing spending and used the phrase "tough choices" - she's a huge fan of austerity. 

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3 minutes ago, NJS said:

She specifically criticised Johnson for increasing spending and used the phrase "tough choices" - she's a huge fan of austerity. 

 

Johnson's spending pledges aren't costed and are a  clear bribe he will not honour. I'm critical of them too. I'm not a fan of Swinson by any means. But I'm also not a fan of the tendency to equate every centrist as a right wing extremist either. 

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12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Anyway, apparently there is a movement to get behind Margaret Beckett taking over as PM. Tory outcasts could support that, so presumably the LDs could too.

 

I'd love to think Beckett was playing a hell of a long game by nominating Corbyn for leader in the knowledge that he'd end up being useless and something like this would happen. :lol: 

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I'd love to think Beckett was playing a hell of a long game by nominating Corbyn for leader in the knowledge that he'd end up being useless and something like this would happen. :lol: 

 

:lol:

 

Apparently she's a popular choice because no one thinks she has any aspirations to hold power, so maybe she's played them all.

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6 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Johnson's spending pledges aren't costed and are a  clear bribe he will not honour. I'm critical of them too. I'm not a fan of Swinson by any means. But I'm also not a fan of the tendency to equate every centrist as a right wing extremist either. 

 

But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government.

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4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government.

She has ruled out supporting either of the main parties under their current leaders. She's also ruled out supporting Indyref2 so that puts her at odds with the SNP.

She's basically alienated herself from everyone she could possibly have to work with after a GE. She appears to be a bit deluded regarding her chances of getting an overall majority.

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7 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government.

 

Really? Can you evidence this? How does this play with the labour rebels that have joined the LDs?

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2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

She has ruled out supporting either of the main parties under their current leaders. She's also ruled out supporting Indyref2 so that puts her at odds with the SNP.

She's basically alienated herself from everyone she could possibly have to work with after a GE. She appears to be a bit deluded regarding her chances of getting an overall majority.

She doesn't want to alienate her new rebel members either. This will never work. 

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