Politics

[Rayvin 4949]

19 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I don’t get it, if the report paints Labour as squeaky clean on AS then why not release it or submit it to ECHR?

 

I don't think it's necessarily about it being squeaky clean so much as having so many Corbyn hating factionalists making shit up and fucking over the process that the eventual report was basically worthless. That's my take from it anyway.

[PaddockLad 14528]

I’ve cancelled my LP direct debit this morning. I can’t in all conscience sit with that set of utter cunts. Some half decent people involved no doubt but the tribalism is nauseating. As a new member I wasn’t even allowed to attend meetings of the local party when they were discussing who to support for leader. This was made quite clear in FOUR emails. They can all fuck off. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by PaddockLad

[PaddockLad 14528]

“Timing”.....

 

 

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4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

I’ve cancelled my LP direct debit this morning. I can’t in all conscience sit with that set of utter cunts. Some half decent people involved no doubt but the tribalism is nauseating. As a new member I wasn’t even allowed to attend meetings of the local party when they were discussing who to support for leader. This was made quite clear in FOUR emails. They can all fuck off. 

I’d say it’s worth hanging in there to see how things progress under Starmer.

And cancelling your DD doesn’t remove you from the list of members for a long time. You’ll need to contact them to do that, otherwise you remain on the books.

[PaddockLad 14528]

13 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I’d say it’s worth hanging in there to see how things progress under Starmer.

And cancelling your DD doesn’t remove you from the list of members for a long time. You’ll need to contact them to do that, otherwise you remain on the books.

 No. He’s a decent man but the membership largely fuckin hate him and the likes of Unite & Momentum will attempt to do to him what some staffers did to Corbyn. It’s not worth the bother of another half decade of blood letting just to see the tories returned yet again 

Edited April 13, 2020 by PaddockLad

[Rayvin 4949]

49 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 No. He’s a decent man but the membership largely fuckin hate him and the likes of Unite & Momentum will attempt to do to him what some staffers did to Corbyn. It’s not worth the bother of another half decade of blood letting just to see the tories returned yet again 

 

100% this is where I am.

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This is how I’m voting in future.

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19 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

I don't think it's necessarily about it being squeaky clean so much as having so many Corbyn hating factionalists making shit up and fucking over the process that the eventual report was basically worthless. That's my take from it anyway.

Another take on the report: 

 

[Rayvin 4949]

Ok so based on that it would seem that the clarified position is that the report is worthless because rather than confront any of the underlying issues, all it does is blame anti-Corbyn factions. I had wrongly believed that the report had been written impartially somehow, but if we are instead saying that the pro-Corbynites wrote it to attack the anti-Corbynites then firstly I'm not actually surprised based on what I've seen of them in my own discussions, and secondly they're just wasting everyone's time and refusing to take this seriously.

 

They're not in power now so I had hoped the party would be able to draw a line under it but his final tweet says that Labour has been institutionally antisemitic even before Corbyn, which doesn't give me any hope that much will change.

 

I'm close to thinking the party should disband. This feuding is going to drag on and on, and will only fuck us over next time as well.

 

The Corbynite zealots are as blind as the Brexiteers. Utterly hopeless. They're not even principled, just another group obsessed with winning the argument..

[Rayvin 4949]

Having said that, if some of the things the pro-Corbynites have claimed are true then honestly both sides are about as bad as each other. They've been fucking feuding while the Tories have been destroying the country. This stuff about Emilie Oldknow asking Tom Watson to delay the expulsion of Livingstone to embarass Corbyn.. fucking why?

 

Fuck it, I'm resigning membership too. Complete waste of space of a party. Worthless.

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I thought you’d already packed it in?

[Tom 13817]

I’m not sure what packing your membership in is going to achieve tbh. 

[Rayvin 4949]

I decided to wait until the leadership election and tbh I've just not really through about it in recent weeks - I had basically committed to it so this additional claim is meaningless I guess, but if I hadn't already decided to this would have broken me all over again. 

I'm now convinced that Corbyn was willfully ignoring this chaos for factional reasons. I'm also convinced that we never stood a chance while this was going on. I've just seen a transcript of senior party officials lamenting that we won Kensington in 2017. What's the point anymore man. It's two political parties trying to pretend they're just one.

[Rayvin 4949]

1 minute ago, Tom said:

I’m not sure what packing your membership in is going to achieve tbh. 

 

It's going to achieve nothing whatsoever. I just can't do it anymore though.

[Rayvin 4949]

 

Consider me defeated, I guess.

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25 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I decided to wait until the leadership election and tbh I've just not really through about it in recent weeks - I had basically committed to it so this additional claim is meaningless I guess, but if I hadn't already decided to this would have broken me all over again. 

You claimed you were leaving in September 2018. Unless you were playing a really long game?

[Rayvin 4949]

Just now, ewerk said:

You claimed you were leaving in September 2018. Unless you were playing a really long game?

 

I did leave the party in January 2019 as a protest over Brexit - I sent a long, pointless email that no one ever replied to, explaining my reasons. Then I rejoined when they came up with a Brexit plan that made sense to me.

 

Happy?  

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Fickle much?

[PaddockLad 14528]

9 minutes ago, Tom said:

I’m not sure what packing your membership in is going to achieve tbh. 

 

About as much as staying in iyam. Both pointless gestures till this all plays out, if it ever does. I was hoping Starmer might be the 21st century John Smith but I think judging by  the stage that both the PLP & the membership are at he's only Neil Kinnock

 

 

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And giving him any more than nine days to  prove you wrong would be madness.

[PaddockLad 14528]

An Ulsterman preaching caution & cool headedness in Politics. I didn't think Spring 2020 could have any more surprising news but I was wrong...

 

Best way I can sum this up is that I feel like I've been here before, and for that reason am out 👍

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Here is a list of every MP that voted AGAINST giving a fair pay rise to nurses. See if you can spot a pattern.

Dominic Raab (CONSERVATIVE)
Boris Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Gove (CONSERVATIVE)
Rishi Sunak (CONSERVATIVE)
Priti Patel (CONSERVATIVE)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Hancock (CONSERVATIVE)
John Redwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Grayling (CONSERVATIVE)
Sajid Javid (CONSERVATIVE)
Tobias Ellwood (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Hunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Nicky Morgan (CONSERVATIVE)
Grant Shapps (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
David Davis (CONSERVATIVE)
Crispin Blunt (CONSERVATIVE)
James Brokenshire (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cleverly (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Dominic Grieve (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa May (CONSERVATIVE)
Kenneth Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Collins (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadine Dorries (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Duncan Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
George Eustice (CONSERVATIVE)
Zac Goldsmith (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Hammond (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Leadsom (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Liam Fox (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Michael Fallon (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Paul Beresford (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Letwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Nicholas Soames (CONSERVATIVE)
Elizabeth Truss (CONSERVATIVE)
Theresa Villiers (CONSERVATIVE)
Nadhim Zahawi (CONSERVATIVE)
Justin Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Tomlinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Martin Vickers (CONSERVATIVE)
John Whittingdale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Henry Bellingham (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Peter Bottomley (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir William Cash (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Alan Duncan (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Roger Gale (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Oliver Heald (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Greg Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Edward Leigh (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Patrick McLoughlin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dame Caroline Spelman (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Desmond Swayne (CONSERVATIVE)
Sir Hugo Swire (CONSERVATIVE)
Anna Soubry (CONSERVATIVE)
Owen Paterson (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Metcalfe (CONSERVATIVE)
Johnny Mercer (CONSERVATIVE)
Kit Malthouse (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Evans (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Adams (CONSERVATIVE)
Bim Afolami (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Afriyie (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Aldous (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Allan (CONSERVATIVE)
Heidi Allen (CONSERVATIVE)
Stuart Andrew (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Argar (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Atkins (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Bacon (CONSERVATIVE)
Kemi Badenoch (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Baker (CONSERVATIVE)
Harriett Baldwin (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Phillip Lee (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Thérèse Coffey (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Caroline Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Julian Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Andrew Murrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Matthew Offord (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Sarah Wollaston (CONSERVATIVE)
Dr Dan Poulter (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Barclay (CONSERVATIVE)
John Baron (CONSERVATIVE)
Guto Bebb (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Benyon (CONSERVATIVE)
Jake Berry (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Blackman (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Boles (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Bone (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew C Bowie (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Karen Bradley (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Brady (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Brereton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Bridgen (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Brine (CONSERVATIVE)
Fiona Bruce (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Buckland (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Burghart (CONSERVATIVE)
Conor Burns (CONSERVATIVE)
Alistair Burt (CONSERVATIVE)
Alun Cairns (CONSERVATIVE)
James Cartlidge (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Caulfield (CONSERVATIVE)
Alex Chalk (CONSERVATIVE)
Rehman Chishti (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Chope (CONSERVATIVE)
Jo Churchill (CONSERVATIVE)
Colin Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Clark (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Clarke (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (CONSERVATIVE)
Alberto Costa (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Courts (CONSERVATIVE)
Geoffrey Cox (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Crabb (CONSERVATIVE)
Tracey Crouch (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Glyn Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Mims Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Davies (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Dinenage (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Djanogly (CONSERVATIVE)
Leo Docherty (CONSERVATIVE)
Julia Dockerill (CONSERVATIVE)
Michelle Donelan (CONSERVATIVE)
Steve Double (CONSERVATIVE)
Oliver Dowden (CONSERVATIVE)
Jackie Doyle-Price (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Drax (CONSERVATIVE)
James Duddridge (CONSERVATIVE)
David Duguid (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Dunne (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Ellis (CONSERVATIVE)
Charlie Elphicke (CONSERVATIVE)
David Evennett (CONSERVATIVE)
Michael Fabricant (CONSERVATIVE)
Suella Fernandes (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Field (CONSERVATIVE)
Vicky Ford (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Foster (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Francois (CONSERVATIVE)
Lucy Frazer (CONSERVATIVE)
George Freeman (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Freer (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Fysh (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Garnier (CONSERVATIVE)
David Gauke (CONSERVATIVE)
Nusrat Ghani (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Gibb (CONSERVATIVE)
Cheryl Gillan (CONSERVATIVE)
John Glen (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Goodwill (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Graham (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Grant (CONSERVATIVE)
James Gray (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Green (CONSERVATIVE)
Justine Greening (CONSERVATIVE)
Sam Gyimah (CONSERVATIVE)
Kirstene Hair (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Halfon (CONSERVATIVE)
Luke Hall (CONSERVATIVE)
Greg Hands (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Harper (CONSERVATIVE)
Richard Harrington (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Trudy Harrison (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hart (CONSERVATIVE)
John Hayes (CONSERVATIVE)
James Heappey (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Heaton-Harris (CONSERVATIVE)
Peter Heaton-Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Gordon Henderson (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Herbert (CONSERVATIVE)
Damian Hinds (CONSERVATIVE)
Simon Hoare (CONSERVATIVE)
George Hollingbery (CONSERVATIVE)
Kevin Hollinrake (CONSERVATIVE)
Philip Hollobone (CONSERVATIVE)
Adam Holloway (CONSERVATIVE)
John Howell (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Huddleston (CONSERVATIVE)
Eddie Hughes (CONSERVATIVE)
Nick Hurd (CONSERVATIVE)
Alister Jack (CONSERVATIVE)
Margot James (CONSERVATIVE)
Ranil Jayawardena (CONSERVATIVE)
Mr Bernard Jenkin (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrea Jenkyns (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Jenrick (CONSERVATIVE)
Gareth Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Joseph Johnson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
David Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Marcus Jones (CONSERVATIVE)
Daniel Kawczynski (CONSERVATIVE)
Gillian Keegan (CONSERVATIVE)
Seema Kennedy (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen Kerr (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Knight (CONSERVATIVE)
Kwasi Kwarteng (CONSERVATIVE)
John Lamont (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Lancaster (CONSERVATIVE)
Pauline Latham (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Lefroy (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Lewer (CONSERVATIVE)
Brandon Lewis (CONSERVATIVE)
Ian Liddell-Grainger (CONSERVATIVE)
David Lidington (CONSERVATIVE)
Jack Lopresti (CONSERVATIVE)
Jonathan Lord (CONSERVATIVE)
Tim Loughton (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Mackinlay (CONSERVATIVE)
Rachel Maclean (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Main (CONSERVATIVE)
Alan Mak (CONSERVATIVE)
Scott Mann (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Masterton (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Maynard (CONSERVATIVE)
Stephen McPartland (CONSERVATIVE)
Esther McVey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Menzies (CONSERVATIVE)
Huw Merriman (CONSERVATIVE)
Maria Miller (CONSERVATIVE)
Amanda Milling (CONSERVATIVE)
Nigel Mills (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Milton (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Mitchell (CONSERVATIVE)
Damien Moore (CONSERVATIVE)
Penny Mordaunt (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne Marie Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
David Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
James Morris (CONSERVATIVE)
Wendy Morton (CONSERVATIVE)
David Mundell (CONSERVATIVE)
Sheryll Murray (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Neill (CONSERVATIVE)
Sarah Newton (CONSERVATIVE)
Caroline Nokes (CONSERVATIVE)
Jesse Norman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil O'Brien (CONSERVATIVE)
Guy Opperman (CONSERVATIVE)
Neil Parish (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pawsey (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Penning (CONSERVATIVE)
John Penrose (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Percy (CONSERVATIVE)
Claire Perry (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Philp (CONSERVATIVE)
Christopher Pincher (CONSERVATIVE)
Rebecca Pow (CONSERVATIVE)
Victoria Prentis (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Prisk (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Pritchard (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Pursglove (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Quin (CONSERVATIVE)
Will Quince (CONSERVATIVE)
Laurence Robertson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mary Robinson (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Rosindell (CONSERVATIVE)
Douglas Ross (CONSERVATIVE)
Lee Rowley (CONSERVATIVE)
Amber Rudd (CONSERVATIVE)
David Rutley (CONSERVATIVE)
Antoinette Sandbach (CONSERVATIVE)
Paul Scully (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Seely (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Selous (CONSERVATIVE)
Alok Sharma (CONSERVATIVE)
Alec Shelbrooke (CONSERVATIVE)
Keith Simpson (CONSERVATIVE)
Chris Skidmore (CONSERVATIVE)
Chloe Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Henry Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Royston Smith (CONSERVATIVE)
Mark Spencer (CONSERVATIVE)
Andrew Stephenson (CONSERVATIVE)
John Stevenson (CONSERVATIVE)
Bob Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Iain Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Rory Stewart (CONSERVATIVE)
Gary Streeter (CONSERVATIVE)
Mel Stride (CONSERVATIVE)
Graham Stuart (CONSERVATIVE)
Julian Sturdy (CONSERVATIVE)
Robert Syms (CONSERVATIVE)
Derek Thomas (CONSERVATIVE)
Ross Thomson (CONSERVATIVE)
Maggie Throup (CONSERVATIVE)
Kelly Tolhurst (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Tracey (CONSERVATIVE)
David Tredinnick (CONSERVATIVE)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (CONSERVATIVE)
Tom Tugendhat (CONSERVATIVE)
Edward Vaizey (CONSERVATIVE)
Shailesh Vara (CONSERVATIVE)
Charles Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Robin Walker (CONSERVATIVE)
Ben Wallace (CONSERVATIVE)
David Warburton (CONSERVATIVE)
Matt Warman (CONSERVATIVE)
Giles Watling (CONSERVATIVE)
Helen Whately (CONSERVATIVE)
Craig Whittaker (CONSERVATIVE)
Bill Wiggin (CONSERVATIVE)
Gavin Williamson (CONSERVATIVE)
Mike Wood (CONSERVATIVE)
William Wragg (CONSERVATIVE)
Jeremy Wright (CONSERVATIVE)
Gregory Campbell (DUP)
Nigel Dodds (DUP)
Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson (DUP)
Paul Girvan (DUP)
Ian Paisley (DUP)
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP)
Gavin Robinson (DUP)
Jim Shannon (DUP)
David Simpson (DUP)
Sammy Wilson (DUP)

[Alex 30257]

Are they all the loudest clappers in their street? 

[Sonatine 9944]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Are they all the biggest cunts in their street? 

 

 

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This. This is the right question to be asking.