ohhh_yeah 2760 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 "Abel Hernandez può lasciare il Palermo. L'attaccante vorrebbe cambiare aria dopo tanti anni, vi abbiamo parlato del sondaggio del Torino e i contatti sono confermati. Se dovesse partire Cerci l'uruguiano sarebbe un profilo molto gradito. Intanto c'è una trattativa in corso con il Newcastle, che è pronto a mettere sul piatto circa 10 milioni di euro. Una cifra distante dalle richieste del Palermo, ma si tratta. E può essere una pista delle prossime settimane." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 699 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 "Abel Hernandez can leave Palermo. The attacker wants to change the air after so many years, we talked about the survey of Turin and the contacts are confirmed. If you were starting Cerci the uruguiano would be a very pleasing profile. Meanwhile, there is a negotiation going on with Newcastle, he's ready to put on the plate around 10 million euro. A figure far from the demands of Palermo, but it is. It can be a track coming weeks" A 24-year-old striker who's scored 31 in 111 for Palermo. Who's this quote from, anyway? His agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Another FM Legend of years gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He's spent the Cabaye money man, everythings rosy! In a little over 1000 days we sold almost a full team of notable players... Milner N'zogbia Given Martins Duff Beye Bassong Carroll Nolan Enrique Some before relegation, most just after, a couple after promotion. In the same period since selling Enrique we've sold Ba, Cabaye and Debuchy. I'm cautious about criticising the club for what's been done rather than what they're doing. It might be that we just don't have the players in our squad anymore that can be sold at a large enough profit, but the major issue with our team for me right now is Pardew, not the approach to squad building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inochi 0 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That's a nice looking graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 In a little over 1000 days we sold almost a full team of notable players... Milner N'zogbia Given Martins Duff Beye Bassong Carroll Nolan Enrique Some before relegation, most just after, a couple after promotion. In the same period since selling Enrique we've sold Ba, Cabaye and Debuchy. I'm cautious about criticising the club for what's been done rather than what they're doing. It might be that we just don't have the players in our squad anymore that can be sold at a large enough profit, but the major issue with our team for me right now is Pardew, not the approach to squad building. My main issue is we rarely go to lengths to keep current star players when the bid comes in. Ba, Cabaye and Debuchy were all in the blue chip bracket. I won't be surprised if Tiote is next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Plus you get the manager openly touting certain players in the media, saying we're vulnerable to bids, essentially inviting them, while confirming our status as a stepping stone club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8949 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Do we not also have a much smaller squad? I mean, it's hard to sell our 2nd choice specialist right back when we don't actually own one. Mind you, looking at the players gone, there are few in the 1st thousand days that I'm too bothered about with the benefit of hindsight. Devil's Advocate Hat firmly on, but what if it's working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Devil's Advocate Hat firmly on, but what if it's working? It is, its just that the owners aims and the fans hopes do not line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 ashley's done a brilliant job at achieving his aim of midtable mediocrity and exiting the cups early. credit where it's due there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Selling players is perfectly acceptable and probably should be encouraged, especially when teams are paying well over the odd and a replacement is lined up - e.g. Debuchy: 12m and Janmaat: 5m; Nolan: 3.5m and Cabaye: 5.5m. It's the not buying we all have the issue with. Cabella clearly could have came in last January. Debuchy was delayed six months over 500k. Remy went to QPR ffs. The man is a right cheap skate and doesnt care how good the starting 11 is, as long as we stay up. These two players at Lyon are the current "wait until the price drops". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 My main issue is we rarely go to lengths to keep current star players when the bid comes in. Ba, Cabaye and Debuchy were all in the blue chip bracket. I won't be surprised if Tiote is next. All had years left on their contracts so didnt have to be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That's a nice looking graph. Ta, I try to mix it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 My main issue is we rarely go to lengths to keep current star players when the bid comes in. Ba, Cabaye and Debuchy were all in the blue chip bracket. I won't be surprised if Tiote is next. Ba especially seemed daft to me. We sold for £7m someone we'd have to pay double that to replace BEFORE wages. Why not just give him the wages he's asking for. Of course, we never did replace him so that was why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Selling players is perfectly acceptable and probably should be encouraged, especially when teams are paying well over the odd and a replacement is lined up - e.g. Debuchy: 12m and Janmaat: 5m; Nolan: 3.5m and Cabaye: 5.5m. It's the not buying we all have the issue with. Cabella clearly could have came in last January. Debuchy was delayed six months over 500k. Remy went to QPR ffs. The man is a right cheap skate and doesnt care how good the starting 11 is, as long as we stay up. These two players at Lyon are the current "wait until the price drops". Aye. If the transfer funds the manager gets is only what can be made from sales, then that sort of penny-pinching is understandable. The frustration is that we have a big wedge sat there doing nothing right now. My view is they'll maintain the current sell to buy approach, any profits on top of that will only be used for players in the event of a rainy day, which would be if we're relegation threatened come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How can you use Debuchy £12m Janmaat £5m as an example that should be encouraged without having any idea whatsoever how good the latter will turn out to be. Selling top players and replacing with unknown quantities definitely shouldn't be encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26175 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ba especially seemed daft to me. We sold for £7m someone we'd have to pay double that to replace BEFORE wages. Why not just give him the wages he's asking for. Of course, we never did replace him so that was why Would he even have considered a new deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I reckon it was all about cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How can you use Debuchy £12m Janmaat £5m as an example that should be encouraged without having any idea whatsoever how good the latter will turn out to be. Selling top players and replacing with unknown quantities definitely shouldn't be encouraged.You have to be realistic. Debuchy was always likely follow Cabaye out the door. So it's more about having a plan. Sure we have no idea how the player will work out, but you can't fault the way we handled the transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 We should have been persuading him to stay by showing him that we can match his ambitions. I can accept that we're a mid-tabled unambitious stepping-stone club now, but praising it, nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ba especially seemed daft to me. We sold for £7m someone we'd have to pay double that to replace BEFORE wages. Why not just give him the wages he's asking for. Of course, we never did replace him so that was why Cisse and Ba couldn't play together and at the time (the summer before he left) Cisse was the better player. So I can understand the resistance to rocking the wages boat. Its a lot worse looking back knowing the Ba money came in the same window QPR nabbed Remy. We could easily have got Ba back this window, so maybe there's more too it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 We should have been persuading him to stay by showing him that we can match his ambitions. I can accept that we're a mid-tabled unambitious stepping-stone club now, but praising it, nah.How do you persuade him to stay when Arsenal make a 12m bid? Money is the only thing I can think of; and Debuchy simply isn't that good to be throwing money at. Almost everyone is a stepping stone club these days. Tottenham regularly sell their top player. Suarez has just left Liverpool. As long as you get top fees and line up a replacement I don't see what's the big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) How do you persuade him to stay when Arsenal make a 12m bid? Money is the only thing I can think of; and Debuchy simply isn't that good to be throwing money at. Almost everyone is a stepping stone club these days. Tottenham regularly sell their top player. Suarez has just left Liverpool. As long as you get top fees and line up a replacement I don't see what's the big deal. You show him that we're looking to compete with Arsenal, with intent in the transfer market. This is only a ridiculous idea to those that have succumbed to the lower expectations campaign. Debuchy is hardly a Suarez or Bale either, who are clearly exceptional cases. Losing players to Real Madrid and Barca I can accept. I did when Woodgate went. We're not even in the tier below them now. We're in the tier below the one below them, losing our players to clubs that we should be trying to compete with. Edited August 14, 2014 by ClubSpinDoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2760 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How do you persuade him to stay when Arsenal make a 12m bid? Money is the only thing I can think of; and Debuchy simply isn't that good to be throwing money at. Going by his own quotes, build a new training pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Micah Richards??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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