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Like Ant's dad, I rate George Best above Pele and Maradona.

Pele and Maradona had great attacking and goal scoring qualities and so had Best, but Best had great defensive qualities too which can't be said of the other two.

I think Bobby Charlton has always been underrated in the table of best players. In the days of 5 in the forward line Bobby played in all but the outside-right position. On top of that he was real quality in a mid-field position.

 

 

What was charlton actually like as a player? Games changed a lot but are there any players about at the moment who have a similar style?

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He was a great player.

106 games and 49 goals for England.

606 games and 199 goals for Man.Utd.

World Cup winner 1966.

Ballon d'Or winner.

Probably one of the World's best attacking mid-fielders in his day.

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Maradona scored 5 goals, his partner Valdano scored 4. He didn't single handedly win the World Cup, unless you're talking about the hand he punched a goal in with.

 

Pele was benched for half of the 1954 WC and played in one of the greatest teams of all time in 1970.

 

Not denying that they were awesome players, just challenging some of the usual shit that gets trotted out about the pair of them. Messi was an extra time away from winning a World Cup and has won more ballon dors and cups that nearly any player in history

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Maradona scored 5 goals, his partner Valdano scored 4. He didn't single handedly win the World Cup, unless you're talking about the hand he punched a goal in with.

 

Pele was benched for half of the 1954 WC and played in one of the greatest teams of all time in 1970.

 

Not denying that they were awesome players, just challenging some of the usual shit that gets trotted out about the pair of them. Messi was an extra time away from winning a World Cup and has won more ballon dore and cups that nearly any player in history

 

Maradona was also the top assister of the tournament, which included the through ball to put Burruchaga clean through for the third in the final to win it, 2nd top goalscorer (linekar beat him by 1)

 

Whereas last years world cup which was one of the better international showings by Messi, he was arguably not even Argentina's best player (def wasn't topscorer, or assister or best player in the tournament..hence the picture below where he looks suitably awkward)

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That Gemmill goal is class.

 

Messi is the best footballer I've ever seen personally. Used to love watching Ronaldo but since he has moved more central into a goal scorer I guess I sort of admire his stats rather than enjoy watching him play. Phenomenal player though and definitely up there with the best.

 

But Messi is the best. Pretty much every game he plays there will be a moment where I don't understand how he has manoeuvred his body and the ball in a particular way. He is a freak. If he doesn't win a world cup, it won't change anything. There is no one quite like him. Maradona is the only player you can name in the same sentence, and that's after Messi.

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Maradona scored 5 goals, his partner Valdano scored 4. He didn't single handedly win the World Cup, unless you're talking about the hand he punched a goal in with.

 

Pele was benched for half of the 1954 WC and played in one of the greatest teams of all time in 1970.

 

Not denying that they were awesome players, just challenging some of the usual shit that gets trotted out about the pair of them. Messi was an extra time away from winning a World Cup and has won more ballon dors and cups that nearly any player in history

Pele was 13 in 1954. [emoji38]

 

He didn't play until the USSR game in 1958 and along with Garrincha completely changed things in that tournament for Brazil. Never mind the fact that he was only 17.

 

1970 is arguably the best team of all time, yet Pele was the star and best player of that team without a shadow of a doubt.

 

Brazil had also never won a World Cup before Pele and it took them 24 years after he retired to do so again.

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Maradona was the best I've ever saw, with due respect to Zidane who who class and Messi who could be the best.

This. I never saw Pele live. Maradona is the greatest I've ever watched in a live game without question.

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The whole "Best player of all time" argument is void because it is purely subjective, most played in a different generation and a lot of opinions are twisted due to how likeable a player is or what they have read about them in the past, most haven't even seen them play at a live game.

 

For me the three best players I've seen play in my lifetime are Fat Ronaldo, Zidane and Messi. All world class players in their own right and all an absolute privilege to watch.

 

Fat Ronaldo was simply unstoppable in his prime, he literally had ever asset you could ever need as a striker. Fucking brilliant.

 

Zidane was absolutely majestic, my favourite footballer by a mile. It was like his boots were made of velvet the way he used to caress the football. Unreal.

 

Messi makes his contemporaries look like schoolboys he is that good, some of the goals he scores would be literally impossible for the majority of the football world. He'll probably get another 500 before he finishes his career aswell.

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My opinion is based on videos and documentaries of course, but leaving stats and world cup wins aside for a moment, some of the things Pele did on the field man. That somewhat lazyish close control style making international defenders look like utter idiots. Cant think of anyone since then who'd you draw a direct comparison with him in that respect, in terms of that unique style you know. Not sure how to put it exactly. While we keep hearing on and on about Maradona v Messi.

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The whole "Best player of all time" argument is void because it is purely subjective, most played in a different generation and a lot of opinions are twisted due to how likeable a player is or what they have read about them in the past, most haven't even seen them play at a live game.

 

Agree with that.

 

Messi is the best I've seen by quite a margin.

 

Ronaldo is impressive but doesn't float my boat in the same way, he does things that are incredible, his goalscoring speaks for itself but I've never seen him do something that seemed impossible.

 

After that , for players I watched a lot, Ronaldinho at his best and Kaka around the time he won World Player of the Year were my favourites.

 

 

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Take away the 1970 World Cup and most of us will have seen very little of Pele in action.A few seconds/minutes in other World Cups and that's about it.We are seeing more of Messi and Ronaldo than Best,Charlton the makem,Maradona and other superstars put together.Many rave about Duncan Edwards but he played in an era where tv coverage was rare.We can say who is the best we have ever seen but it's impossible to compare say Messi with Pele.The makems did once ask on rtg `Messi or McClean'.Nowt wrong with that due to the amount of tv coverage available on both players.

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