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  1. 1. Do you like cricket?

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4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

It’s a 5 day game, they don’t all have to score quickly. I thought Compton was hooked too quickly the first time he had a run in the side. 

Also there was that match (away series v South Africa?) where he was out trying to hit a 6. I think England were only a few runs from winning if my memory serves me right. I wonder if he’d have done better if he’d not had that in the back of his mind. In test cricket people seem to have forgotten being 60-0 after 20 overs is better than being there after 8 overs. It’s all about seeing off the new ball and tiring the opening bowlers. Edit: even more so with our middle order 

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Playing three traditional test openers at the top of the order to take the shine off the new ball would set up the innings for our more aggressive stroke-makers. Problem is we can’t even find one of them. Hoping you’re right about Burns and that he makes a big score in the final test against the windies to boost his confidence before the ashes

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I had been laughing at the Aussies, after the India series and some spectacular top order collapses against Sri Lanka, but I have retreated into my shell after the last two tests in the WI. 

Even when the other team is showing England what they need to do on the pitch, they will not do it, and say they want to play aggressive cricket.  Sometimes you just need to hang around first, to allow yourself to play aggressive cricket later.

They all seem to want to score a century at a run a ball, and all they end up doing is scoring a few at a run a ball. 

Muppets :mad:

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Root's comments about not winning games by scoring slowing were ridiculous really.

The only player we have who seems to trying to convert to playing in a 'test' way is Stokes.  But he's probably the player, given that he's the all rounder, that want to play in the way the rest of them are. The top order is the real problem though, the stroke players can't come in and play their way because the bowlers aren't being tired and ball isn't being worn.  But when you look at which top order batsmen are scoring runs in County Cricket all you have is Burns and Hildreth (who's 34 I think) and Bell in division two.  I think Roy may as well be given a chance even if he's just told to go out and get a quick score.  That might not do the wearing down job of an opener but it might mean that by the time we're a couple of wickets down we have some sort of score on the board.

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i think they have to stick with burns now. you have to give someone a run of tests at some point and see if they can grow into it.

as long as they don't bring back jennings, vince or ballance. they've all had enough chances and all keep getting out the same way. i'd rather recall bell - at least he has some pedigree against the aussies. 

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I would say with Vince it’s been poor shot selection, whereas with Ballance and Jennings it’s poor technique. I appreciate that selecting the right shot at the right time is all about having the correct mentality for test cricket but I think it’s easier to set that right than the massive technical issues with the other two 

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vince looks too vulnerable outside off for a test player. looks lovely when it comes off, but i don't think i've seen him play in a test when he hasn't nicked off tamely to the cordon. maybe it is a mental thing, but he's had about 15 tests to sort it out, which is a much longer chance than a lot of others have had before the selectors ended their test careers.

i would give hales another chance, but lower down the order, before recalling vince again. 

what's kp up to these days? 

Image result for piers morgan kp

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Great to see Wood come back at a real pace yesterday.  The last few times I've seen him he's looked like he'd lost something but whether it's down to his fitness or his new run up, he was superb yesterday.  Just in the nick of time for him too with Stone coming into the squad and Archer likely to get some sort of call up in the near future.

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36 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

jennings fails again. enough already. he cannot play against the aussies 

I agree re: Jennings and especially after the way he got out but although they haven’t gotten loads of runs in either innings (unless Denly gets a big score) it’s worked to an extent playing 2 openers and a number 3 in their proper positions. In the first innings they blunted the attack enough to allow some of the middle order to play their natural game and even in the 2nd innings Jennings has faced 99 balls. Much better balance to the team than the square pegs in round holes approach we’d seen previously. 

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21 hours ago, Alex said:

I agree re: Jennings and especially after the way he got out but although they haven’t gotten loads of runs in either innings (unless Denly gets a big score) it’s worked to an extent playing 2 openers and a number 3 in their proper positions. In the first innings they blunted the attack enough to allow some of the middle order to play their natural game and even in the 2nd innings Jennings has faced 99 balls. Much better balance to the team than the square pegs in round holes approach we’d seen previously. 

I know they are missing Holder this match and certainly haven't been helped by the injuries, but playing a correctly balanced team with an actual top order, even a far from great one, has helped massively I think.  Jennings will be, deservedly, jettisoned after this match and unless he completely remodels his technique you can't see him getting back in.  Christ knows who's going to replace him though.  Apparently Nick Gubbins is one who they have looked at but his average is nothing to write home about.  Roy looks as deserving as anyone as at least he's shown himself to be more than capable against top class bowlers.  But of course that's not in red ball cricket so we'd be just about back to square one in terms of playing middle order players in the top order.

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If you’re going to play Roy as an opener in tests you may as well put someone like Barstow up there. I think they already tried Moeen up there too at one point. The problem is we have loads of exciting all rounders but you ideally want them batting in the middle order, not opening or at three.

 

But when the so called specialist opening batters continue to fail, where do you go next? I have no idea. We still haven’t replaced Strauss, or Trott at number three for that matter, let alone Cook.

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The difference in batting styles in that ODI yesterday was really good to watch.  I know the wicket offered very little for the bowlers and that could have made for a very boring game even with such a big total to chase.  But the way we went about it I thought was exceptional.  Admittedly their fielding was awful and their attack was anything but strong.

The calls for Roy to be given a go in the test team are getting louder and louder now.

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Woakes can get to fuck. Who cares if Archer didn’t play in the last few years. He wasn’t eligible. If he impresses in these next two ODIs, he makes the squad. Suck it up 

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You could argue that a few of the bowlers, Curran and Willey maybe, haven't done a great deal recently to cement their place.  And in Curran's case in particular, he's never he's never really cemented a place, he's only played 13 times.  I would think he'll be the most at risk.  Willey offers the left arm option and I think Plunket deserves his place more than both of them.

Woakes has to prove his fitness but I don't think there's any chance of him being left out other than that.  Wood's overall record is probably the worst but again with his pace and the form he's showed recently, I think he'll be in baring injury.  Which given he's missed Durham's first three matches, might not be out of the question.

Of course Archer has to actually perform in these games, he's only played in 14 list A games so far.

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Guys I'm at work bored with nothing to do. I have IPTV on my phone. I'm going to watch the cricket. Can somebody recommend a decent bet to keep me amused 

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It would be the most englandy World Cup ever if we can’t make the knock out stage at home as tournament favourites. 

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Nice distraction from the shambles at st James today. Massive game with Sri Lanka threatening to creep in through the back door if we slip up again. Got to bowl first if we win the toss. Been raining overnight, moisture in the air and a lords pitch with a green top. Probably drop Moeen and go with a 5-strong Sean attack of Archer/Wood/Woakes/Plunkett/Stokes

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