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6 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

Aye Warner seems to be on the decline and then the rest of their batsman have been very average.  That might change to an extent if Puckovski and Green can deliver on their potential.  Both are averaging over 50 in first class cricket and have made decent starts to their Test careers too.  Green is taking wickets at 25 too.  He's not took an international wicket yet but if he can transfer that then they'll have the all rounder they've been crying out for year for.

Both teams look like they have some potentially very good young batsmen coming through.

there really isn't much between the batting line ups, smith aside. 

it'll hinge on on how our bowlers perform in aussie conditions, where broad and anderson have toiled in recent series. archer will play a crucial role. he should be v dangerous on their wickets with the extra bounce he extracts. wood will take wickets too, if he can stay fit. i'd play those two with stokes then rotate broad, anderson and woakes for the other spot. 

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12 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

it'll hinge on on how our bowlers perform in aussie conditions, where broad and anderson have toiled in recent series. archer will play a crucial role. he should be v dangerous on their wickets with the extra bounce he extracts. wood will take wickets too, if he can stay fit. i'd play those two with stokes then rotate broad, anderson and woakes for the other spot. 

The issue with the extra bounce is that they must pitch it up.  The last couple of tours they have bowled too short and very few balls would actually have hit the stumps.  If Anderson and Broad do that, which they do normally, there is no reason why they can't succeed in Oz.  It just needs proper plans in place, not a short-pitched strategy all the time.

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FYI Cricket Australia has been in battle with the local broadcaster over money and things have been financially tight.

Plus India has played a good game on and off the pitch, holding CA to ransom over a lot of Covid related "issues" which has no doubt had some people's eyes off the ball.

Still say it is a shame the Aust team is full of cheating, mindless cunts.

 

BTW I'm working on a show with Merv Hughes atm, very funny man and likes to say fuck a lot. Shame Australian cricketeers aren't like him and cousin Doug these days.

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6 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

The issue with the extra bounce is that they must pitch it up.  The last couple of tours they have bowled too short and very few balls would actually have hit the stumps.  If Anderson and Broad do that, which they do normally, there is no reason why they can't succeed in Oz.  It just needs proper plans in place, not a short-pitched strategy all the time.

jimmy's averaged 27 and took 17 wickets in the last tour of Oz, so he can still take wickets and provide control but he can look pedestrian when it isn't swinging. the problem last time is we had the likes of craig overton coming in, a strange selection, who the aussies were happy to pick off once they'd seen off broad and anderson. 

you need some hostility to win a series down under and in archer and wood we have two bowlers who can regularly hit 90mph. archer in particular should do well with his height. he gets the extra bounce that troubles batsmen on those bouncy aussie pitches. i think we have our best chance since that tour when chris tremlett looked like superman and he is a similar type of bowler to archer.

we just need to work out a way to get smith out.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

we just need to work out a way to get smith out.

 

 

 

You actually don't, you just need to get the other batsman out, Smith can't carry the team  (and be the twat he is) without other batsman.

Just saying.

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1 minute ago, sammynb said:

 

You actually don't, you just need to get the other batsman out, Smith can't carry the team  (and be the twat he is) without other batsman.

Just saying.

he did pretty much just that on the aussie's last tour of england. it was only labuschagne who otherwise made meaningful contributions. broad had warner, who looked like a busted flush, in his pocket all series, though i'm sure he'll be much happier facing us on home ground.

archer is the key player for us. he should provide even more of a threat in australia than he does in england

 

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6 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

He's looking a better and better test player all the time.  Shame he's only playing one against India.

He (Buttler) is in squad for first two isn't he ?? (Bairstow, Curran and Wood given a break)

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10 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

He (Buttler) is in squad for first two isn't he ?? (Bairstow, Curran and Wood given a break)

Michael Vaughan was going on about it on TMS and I'm sure he said Buttler was only there for the first test.  The other three you mention are missing the firts two that's right.

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1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

we're playing one of the best test sides in the world and we're resting senior players. i don't get it. you'd think they'd be champing at the bit 

I can certainly get resting Wood given his fitness issues and Curran as been bubbled up for long period with England and the IPL and I'm not convinced he'd be that important a player in India for us.  But I don't get Bairstow or Buttler at all.

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yeah, wood i suppose makes more sense. i dunno about the others. curran could be useful. he has that knack of taking wickets even off bad balls, and he can bat. 

you have to be taking bairstow and buttler, surely? two of our better players of spin.

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19 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

we're playing one of the best test sides in the world and we're resting senior players. i don't get it. you'd think they'd be champing at the bit 

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https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1982316/national-selectors-name-test-squad-for-first-and-second-tests-in-india

Possibly to do with the strains of being in a "bubble" outside of training/playing etc.

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7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

yeah, wood i suppose makes more sense. i dunno about the others. curran could be useful. he has that knack of taking wickets even off bad balls, and he can bat. 

you have to be taking bairstow and buttler, surely? two of our better players of spin.

Yeah, I mean I get this is exceptional circumtances but the South Africa trip was cut short so surely they haven't had too hard a time of it recently.  And surely Sri Lanka was a better time to rest players.  Although I suppose with Pope being injured, Burns being on paternity and Stokes and Archer rested there's only so many changes the could have made.

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1 minute ago, Toonpack said:

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From:

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1982316/national-selectors-name-test-squad-for-first-and-second-tests-in-india

Possibly to do with the strains of being in a "bubble" outside of training/playing etc.

 i just listened to aggers interviewing root where he justifies the move and you're spot on - it's a mental health/well being decision based on looking after those players who are living in the bubble for a prolonged period of time. 

vaughan follows it up by slating the decision, saying you want your best players there for india. 

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