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The other week I was thinking about that drinkwater who played for Leicester against us - I don't have a clue where they got him from but couldn't help thinking if they can find players who are obviously better than Anita, Colback and a diminished Tiote then why the fuck can we not?

 

I think Nolan must be the last decent British player we signed.

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How often do other clubs that are our size buy "proven" Premier league players?

The 18th richest club in the world, or whatever we are now, should be perfectly capable of buying players with experience of playing in the division.

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The 18th richest club in the world, or whatever we are now, should be perfectly capable of buying players with experience of playing in the division.

 

Perhaps. I'd worry we'd end up like Villa or sunderland though, signing over-the-hill, top club rejects. Even 18th richest club on the planet couldn't buy exciting young talents/1st team regulars with Premier League experience. How much would we have to spend to get someone like Tom Cleverly and how would we convince someone of his limited ability to join our ailing Premier League side from another?

 

/Devilsadvocate

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The other week I was thinking about that drinkwater who played for Leicester against us - I don't have a clue where they got him from but couldn't help thinking if they can find players who are obviously better than Anita, Colback and a diminished Tiote then why the fuck can we not?

 

I think Nolan must be the last decent British player we signed.

 

 

Manchester Utd reserves.

 

The only Leicester players signed with significant (ruling out Nugent and Gary Taylor Fletcher, plus reserve team castoffs like DeLaet and Wood) PL experience were Konchesky, Simpson, Albrighton, Huth, Upson and Schwartzer and this season, loaning Nathan Dyer. Three past-its (of which only Konchesky made a significant contribution), a bang average player and three quality players who weren't wanted at Villa/Stoke/Swansea for whatever reason.

 

Direct experience is useful but a focus on team fit and character (yeah Simpson is a scumbag) along with skills and being available at the right price (lots of free transfers and players near the end of their contracts) can do just as well. It's the focus on buying for resale rather than buying for building a team that's the thing and it's crazy.

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What do you think it would take for them to change the strategy? I don't mean stopping them being cheapskates but to get them to be more sensible about it - taking inspiration from Southampton or Leicester rather than Sports tucking Direct.

You want to be lie Leicester or Southampton ? Are you for real ?

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You want to be lie Leicester or Southampton ? Are you for real ?

 

Maybe not the Southampton of this evening :D

 

Short of a magical takeover by some billionaire in it purely for the ego, what would you suggest? Ashley suddenly deciding to spend huge sums of money consistently other than the odd panic splurge like the summer isn't going to happen.

 

Leicester and Southampton are two examples of clubs where there are structures in place around recruitment, behind-the-scenes organisation, etc. that have allowed Southampton to challenge for Europe the last couple of years despite losing players, while Leicester's entire squad cost about what Ashley's summer panic buys cost, but is second on goal difference.

 

He wants to have a team in the premier league on the cheap and sees transfer fees as a potential source of additional income. That's something that can't be changed unless someone kidnaps him and brainwashes him or something.

 

Convincing him the cheapest way to do that isn't to fill the squad with random young potential without any balance, but to sign a couple of those sorts of players mixed in with experienced transfers, and more focus on the players' attitude rather than purely price-tags would allow greater chances of potential to become realised and that success of the team would impact the potential profit to be made by putting the club in a stronger negotiating position, that seems realistic if he's seen his current approach fail.

 

Obviously he's been scared into spending this summer but what would it take to scare him into that kind of change to how the club is run? Going down and missing all the TV money? Staying up by narrow margins but having to spend £50m every summer because all the players turn to shit within a few months because of how depressing it must be to be a Newcastle player right now?

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Perhaps. I'd worry we'd end up like Villa or sunderland though, signing over-the-hill, top club rejects. Even 18th richest club on the planet couldn't buy exciting young talents/1st team regulars with Premier League experience. How much would we have to spend to get someone like Tom Cleverly and how would we convince someone of his limited ability to join our ailing Premier League side from another?

 

/Devilsadvocate

Where do Everton come in the list of the worlds richest clubs? Outside the top 20 certainly yet they have been able to buy Lukaku, Barry, Cleverly, McCarthy, Lennon & Cone in the past few seasons. It's not that we are incapable of signing players with premiership experience, we don't want to because we won't be able to sell them on for a profit which is the only target of our recruitment process. Even that is flawed though because you can't keep expecting to stay in the league making such signings and if you do shit the players values inevitably drop. As we've seen in the recent sales of Mbiwa, Santon, Cabella (has he been formally sold yet?) etc.
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Where do Everton come in the list of the worlds richest clubs? Outside the top 20 certainly yet they have been able to buy Lukaku, Barry, Cleverly, McCarthy, Lennon & Cone in the past few seasons. It's not that we are incapable of signing players with premiership experience, we don't want to because we won't be able to sell them on for a profit which is the only target of our recruitment process. Even that is flawed though because you can't keep expecting to stay in the league making such signings and if you do shit the players values inevitably drop. As we've seen in the recent sales of Mbiwa, Santon, Cabella (has he been formally sold yet?) etc.

 

They can sell themselves as a progressive, ambitious club aiming for European competition.

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They can sell themselves as a progressive, ambitious club aiming for European competition.

It's not a case of selling ourselves though if we don't even try and sign these players in the first place. We could do that too but we aren't that because all we want to do is sign cheap imports who can be sold on for a profit. You'll generally find that promoted clubs try and sign cheap foreign players because that's all that they can afford. But even those clubs try and sign players who they think are what they need to move their team forward. With us it's not a consideration.
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According to an article on the Beeb (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34985230) since the window in which we signed Nolan and Ryan Taylor, there have been 42 permanent signings. Only 3 had any substantial Premier League experience Wayne Routledge, Sol Campbell and Jack Colback. Iirc, two of those were signed for free.

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