Rafa Benitez

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Just now, Andrew said:

If you don't hope that a new owner could be a super-rich nut who will turn us into title challengers in a few years then whats the point in hoping for anything?

Dreaming of those top half finishes isn't exactly setting the pulse racing

 

He will be it's just his bit that he does for the mackems because he's fearful of being called deleewded

[The Fish 8954]

23 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Why not? Who do you suppose is buying us? So you think they've gone from wanting Liverpool and wanting to mount title challenges to wanting to take us top half instead? I think a better suggestion would be that the saving on purchase price can be invested in players. And we are probably a billion cheaper than Liverpool to buy.

 

It's "feasible" to turn anybody into a title challenging side. Whoever is behind this clearly wants a top club not an also-ran.

 

I'm supposing that whoever buys us will have to rapidly catch up, then compete with the spending powers of Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd, they'll have to build a squad of top class players (who'll need to be convinced to join a newly promoted side) all the while they'll need to obey FFP which will mean they can't simply throw £500m at the problem in each of the next 3 windows.

 

Do you honestly think that Daddy Warbucks is going to buy the club for £300m, then pump £1bn into playing staff?

[The Fish 8954]

28 minutes ago, Andrew said:

If you don't hope that a new owner could be a super-rich nut who will turn us into title challengers in a few years then whats the point in hoping for anything?

Dreaming of those top half finishes isn't exactly setting the pulse racing

 

I'm hoping for us to separate from the rest of the league and join the big boys table. I'm hoping that we compete for CL spots when Chelsea and the Manchester clubs have a bad season. I'm hoping that we see some great football again. I'm hoping we win so many cups we stop caring about them.

 

If you want to dream about become Man City, you crack on, but I don't think mine are risible.

[rogerbarton 24]

They'll definitely be aiming for top four - that's where the big bucks is. I definitely wouldn't expect it immediately, but there's no reason why it can't be achieved within, say, three to five years with shrewd investment. Hell, we nearly did it under Pardew thanks to a few good signings.

[Park Life 70]

Just now, rogerbarton said:

They'll definitely be aiming for top four - that's where the big bucks is. I definitely wouldn't expect it immediately, but there's no reason why it can't be achieved within, say, three to five years with shrewd investment. Hell, we nearly did it under Pardew thanks to a few good signings.

It's harder now.

[Andrew 4183]

6 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

If you want to dream about become Man City

 

Fish man, that's what hopes and dreams are supposed to be, they aren't expectations.

[The Fish 8954]

3 minutes ago, rogerbarton said:

They'll definitely be aiming for top four - that's where the big bucks is. I definitely wouldn't expect it immediately, but there's no reason why it can't be achieved within, say, three to five years with shrewd investment. Hell, we nearly did it under Pardew thanks to a few good signings.

 

Pardew's season was a one off. 

 

Sneaking a top four finish is possible, but not consistently. If Chelsea drop out of the top 4, what will they do? They'll spend £200m on the best players around, appoint a top class coach and yada yada.

 

Best bet is to swell the group competing for the CL spot, but that's not top 4, that's 4-8, isn't it?

[The Fish 8954]

Just now, Andrew said:

 

Fish man, that's what dreams are supposed to be, they aren't expectations.

 

Then Ginger Biff is comparing his hopes and dreams, to my expectations. For the interweb lols.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

8 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

I'm supposing that whoever buys us will have to rapidly catch up, then compete with the spending powers of Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd, they'll have to build a squad of top class players (who'll need to be convinced to join a newly promoted side) all the while they'll need to obey FFP which will mean they can't simply throw £500m at the problem in each of the next 3 windows.

 

Do you honestly think that Daddy Warbucks is going to buy the club for £300m, then pump £1bn into playing staff?

 

Do you honestly think Chelsea and Man City fans thought that pre-takeover? The evidence is there for you, they wanted Liverpool so have a LOT of money to put into buying a football club. I suspect you've already realised your error but are continuing to argue for the sake of it as per

[Andrew 4183]

Just now, The Fish said:

 

Then Ginger Biff is comparing his hopes and dreams, to my expectations. For the interweb lols.

 

Cool, you'd not actually said that anywhere and at no point disputed that they were your hopes rather than expectations until just now.

[Howay 12450]

2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Pardew's season was a one off. 

 

Sneaking a top four finish is possible, but not consistently. If Chelsea drop out of the top 4, what will they do? They'll spend £200m on the best players around, appoint a top class coach and yada yada.

 

Best bet is to swell the group competing for the CL spot, but that's not top 4, that's 4-8, isn't it?

All other points aside do you think Abramovic has the interest any more?

 

[The Fish 8954]

1 hour ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Do you honestly think Chelsea and Man City fans thought that pre-takeover? The evidence is there for you, they wanted Liverpool so have a LOT of money to put into buying a football club. I suspect you've already realised your error but are continuing to argue for the sake of it as per

 

Yeah, I reckon when Man City fans heard they were being bought out by an Oil state they thought they could muscle in on the title challenge, I mean it was only Man Utd and Chelsea operating with that amount of money at the time. Plus Arsenal's grip on 4th.

 

Now there's Chelsea, Man city and Man Utd who have unlimited funds, Spurs are up there in terms of quality and aren't short a bob or two. Then there's Liverpool and Arsenal

 

I stand by what I said. Whoever buys us out will likely pump cash into the club and the squad. But how much will it cost to challenge for the title? Genuinely, how much?

 

1 hour ago, Andrew said:

 

Cool, you'd not actually said that anywhere and at no point disputed that they were your hopes rather than expectations until just now.

 

To be fair, Quiff lifted a conversation I was having on RTG about expectations. Not Hopes and Dreams. That's on him, not me.

 

1 hour ago, Howay said:

All other points aside do you think Abramovic has the interest any more?

 

 

I'm not sure if he's as excited, but I don't know if he's bothered enough to pull back his investment.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

You want me to pull a number out of my arse? It won't be cheap, but the new owners probably won't be cheapskates. You'd think Ashley's Arab cousins were PCP the way you're going on

Edited December 13, 2017 by TheGingerQuiff

[The Fish 8954]

3 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

You want me to pull a number out of my arse? It won't be cheap, but the new owners probably won't be cheapskates. You'd think Ashley's Arab cousins were PCP the way you're going on

 

You wouldn't like, if you read what I said and refrained from acting the quim, you'd think that it's unlikely that the new owners will be able to finance an assault on the title given how competitive it is already, how well heeled the competitors are and how far behind them we are.

 

Trouble is you can't refrain from acting the quim long enough to see that.

Edited December 13, 2017 by The Fish

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Just now, The Fish said:

 

You wouldn't like, if you read what I said and refrained from acting the quim you'd think that it's unlikely that the new owners will be able to finance an assault on the title given how competitive it is already, how well heeled the competitors are and how far behind them we are.

 

Trouble is you can't refrain from acting the quim long enough to see that.

 

It's not that competitive. Liverpool and Spurs are both being carried by a small handful of top players that will ultimately leave for more money - if we're suddenly being bankrolled to pay that top money we can surpass them. Arsenal are in decline too.

[The Fish 8954]

9 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

It's not that competitive. Liverpool and Spurs are both being carried by a small handful of top players that will ultimately leave for more money - if we're suddenly being bankrolled to pay that top money we can surpass them. Arsenal are in decline too.

 

We maybe can surpass them, but if they sell their top players, they'll get a shit load of money on top of the impressive budgets they normally have. That shitload of money will be reinvested into playing staff. Eriksen, Alli, Dier, cost Spurs comparative buttons.

 

#	Club(s)	Seasons	Expenditures	Income	Balance	Gross Spend per Season	Balance per season
1	Chelsea	14	£1,480,000,000	£785,670,000	-£776,200,000	£105,714,286	-£55,442,857
2	Man City	14	£1,470,000,000	£427,260,000	-£1,156,850,000	£105,000,000	-£82,632,143
3	Man Utd	14	£1,170,000,000	£456,710,000	-£791,410,000	£83,571,429	-£56,529,286
4	Liverpool	14	£997,410,000	£624,520,000	-£414,320,000	£71,243,571	-£29,594,286
5	Tottenham	14	£880,760,000	£676,230,000	-£227,260,000	£62,911,429	-£16,232,857
6	Arsenal	14	£615,490,000	£403,930,000	-£235,070,000	£43,963,571	-£16,790,714
7	Everton	14	£498,670,000	£353,380,000	-£161,440,000	£35,619,286	-£11,531,429
8	Newcastle Utd	12	£483,290,000	£374,310,000	-£121,090,000	£40,274,167	-£10,090,833
9	West Ham	12	£425,590,000	£288,650,000	-£152,160,000	£35,465,833	-£12,680,000
10	Aston Villa	12	£412,970,000	£245,390,000	-£186,210,000	£34,414,167	-£15,517,500
11	Sunderland	11	£385,680,000	£224,290,000	-£179,320,000	£35,061,818	-£16,301,818
12	Southampton	7	£354,950,000	£350,990,000	-£4,400,000	£50,707,143	-£628,571
13	Leicester	6	£267,100,000	£132,140,000	-£149,960,000	£44,516,667	-£24,993,333
14	WBA	11	£258,510,000	£122,220,000	-£151,440,000	£23,500,909	-£13,767,273
15	Stoke City	10	£249,870,000	£86,670,000	-£181,330,000	£24,987,000	-£18,133,000
16	Middlesbrough	7	£246,320,000	£163,050,000	-£92,520,000	£35,188,571	-£13,217,143
17	Fulham	11	£238,620,000	£192,240,000	-£51,530,000	£21,692,727	-£4,684,545
18	Crystal Palace	5	£235,460,000	£104,730,000	-£145,250,000	£47,092,000	-£29,050,000
19	Watford	3	£226,310,000	£126,980,000	-£110,370,000	£75,436,667	-£36,790,000
20	Swansea	7	£216,970,000	£222,670,000	£6,340,000	£30,995,714	£905,714

 

Look at the gap between the spend of the title challengers (and Liverpool) and the rest! And Liverpool aren't realistically anywhere near challenging for the title. Even if they do have great forwards, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd are much better. And should Liverpool fix their defence, those three will just spend another couple hundred million to keep the distance.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

But all of that is irrelevant until you know who's buying us, what their intentions are and what they're going to invest. And how long is that table even over? It certainly isn't the cost of going out and buying a title. All of those top spending clubs will have rebuilt a few times.

[The Fish 8954]

Just now, TheGingerQuiff said:

But all of that is irrelevant until you know who's buying us, what their intentions are and what they're going to invest. And how long is that table even over? It certainly isn't the cost of going out and buying a title. All of those top spending clubs will have rebuilt a few times.

 

Since 2003 when Abramovic bought chelsea and the landscape changed. 

 

They will have rebuilt a few times, but the new owners would have to buy a team that could compete with Man City's. How much would that cost us, given it's cost them millions upon millions for years? they had to go through a phase of signing "star names" to announce themselves on the big stage. They had to change the perception of Man City. We'd have to do similar. We'd have to convince the football world we're a serious consideration.

 

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

6 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Since 2003 when Abramovic bought chelsea and the landscape changed. 

 

They will have rebuilt a few times, but the new owners would have to buy a team that could compete with Man City's. How much would that cost us, given it's cost them millions upon millions for years? they had to go through a phase of signing "star names" to announce themselves on the big stage. They had to change the perception of Man City. We'd have to do similar. We'd have to convince the football world we're a serious consideration.

 

 

 

Doubt we've got as much ground as City to make up to be considered "serious". Man City have spent millions upon millions for years to win multiple trophies, most of the players those millions were spent on have moved on - so what they've spent since the early 2000s isn't representative of the cost of competing with them.  Man City's team looks untouchable this season but the reality is that teams rarely retain the title anymore so as long as we're bankrolled sufficiently we can challenge.

Edited December 13, 2017 by TheGingerQuiff

[The Fish 8954]

5 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Doubt we've got as much ground as City to make up to be considered "serious". Man City have spent millions upon millions for years to win multiple trophies, most of the players those millions were spent on have moved on - so what they've spent since the early 2000s isn't representative of the cost of competing with them.  Man City's team looks untouchable this season but the reality is that teams rarely retain the title anymore so as long as we're bankrolled sufficiently we can challenge.

 

Aye it's fair to say that theoretically we could build a side of stars to compete with Man City next season. But realistically it's would take time and a shit ton of money, because players the standard of Cavani, Bonucci, Dybala, Mertens, Malcolm are going to need some convincing to join a fairly newly promoted Premier League side that isn't in London and isn't one of the massive clubs from the North West.

[ewerk 26192]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

 

Aye it's fair to say that theoretically we could build a side of stars to compete with Man City next season. But realistically it's would take time and a shit ton of money, because players the standard of Cavani, Bonucci, Dybala, Mertens, Malcolm are going to need some convincing to join a fairly newly promoted Premier League side that isn't in London and isn't one of the massive clubs from the North West.

 

WE'RE. GOING. TO. WIN. THE. LEAGUE.

[The Fish 8954]

 

 

[Noelie 103]

Can't help but think that if we lose to Everton and any more subsequent games in December there might well be 'Mutual Agreement' writing on the wall.

Can only hope Rafa is around in January and gets a substantial  amount of spending money either from Ashley or potential new owners.

[Dr Gloom 19750]

the takeover won'y have gone through by jan, but it will go through. ashley will release funds, underwritten by stavely. 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Louise Taylor reckons Stavely wants to compete with Man City. In your face The Fidh