Jimbo 133 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Speaking as a parent, I'm an expert on using language that means "no" without actually saying it, I see that in abundance there. I think he's off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Nah, he's got a clause in his contract. Easy for him to say 'I did my best, sorry, ta-ra.' I think he genuinely wants to stay, he just wants to make sure Ashley isn't going to take the piss during the transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Speaking as a parent, I'm an expert on using language that means "no" without actually saying it, I see that in abundance there. I think he's off. Don't suppose you're willing to lay odds on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2406 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 If he stays, relegation would almost be entirely secondary. We will come back up with Rafa. Not only because of Rafa but also because of the promises the club will have to make to get him to stay. I think we just have to take what he says at face value and assume that he might stay. It's a better scenario than I thought we'd have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12447 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Nah, he's got a clause in his contract. Easy for him to say 'I did my best, sorry, ta-ra.' I think he genuinely wants to stay, he just wants to make sure Ashley isn't going to take the piss during the transfer window Aye that's it like, there's no point in him dancing round it anymore if he really does want away so I think he really is considering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToony 41 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Oohh, does he have to talk to Mike Ashley? Isn't there more charming and distinguished people in Newcastle that can negotiate with Rafa on NUFC's behalf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Isnt keeping rafa here in the championship, and the sky high wages he'll be demanding, far too big a risk for any club to be taking. There's certainly no guarantee we'll be back at the first attempt and its just as likely we'll end up 'doing a Leeds'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6130 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 There's no guarantee of course, but keeping a top quality proven manager who clearly has the support of the fan base and the existing players is the closest to a guarantee that you'll get. The high wages in comparison to premier league TV money will be a pittance. Ashley has taken risks by cheaping out on backroom and management staff and it's landed the club in the championship. He can continue with the same budget risky strategies or pay extra to get superior coaching and reduce the risk. It all depends on whether Rafa is actually interested in staying here long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3183 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Isnt keeping rafa here in the championship, and the sky high wages he'll be demanding, far too big a risk for any club to be taking. There's certainly no guarantee we'll be back at the first attempt and its just as likely we'll end up 'doing a Leeds'! No club will ever "do a leeds". They were in the shit financially and didn't actually own their most valuable assets. Also Portsmouth didn't do a leeds either. They did a "get back to where you belong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon 13 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Isnt keeping rafa here in the championship, and the sky high wages he'll be demanding, far too big a risk for any club to be taking. There's certainly no guarantee we'll be back at the first attempt and its just as likely we'll end up 'doing a Leeds'! Ignore the football. How much would a billionaire businessman risk to get a 100 million return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 It's 100m per season like... Probably quite a bit when a 5 year plan is considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1053 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thing is, Rafa will negotiate another contract so it'll be just as easy for Ashley to put in a clause that says they must be promoted at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 If only his CV was littered with 'managed to not get relegated' trophies instead of European Cups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Rafa won't stay because he will be too scared to fail in PL promotion which would destroy his already wavering cv. very poor It's probably the one thing that would complete his already impressive CV. He's won major trophies with various European clubs, he's yet to rebuild a struggling club from the top to bottom and lead them in a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1115 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Fear not, Ashley and Penfold will fuck it up so he won't be here next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Dr groom quoting dr gloom, confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 And you think he's about to start such folly with NUFC? Wooooahhh hang on. This is a u-turn. His C.V is wavering a few moments ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 And you think he's about to start such folly with NUFC? If he's given the control over player recruitment and the salary he wants, I think he might. From the interviews I've seen and read it looks like he likes the club and its potential if he is given the go ahead to rebuild it in the way he wants. He likes the area, the connection with the fans and the proximity to his family. The thing that will fuck it up is Ashley not giving him what he wants, which is almost certainly going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 we can afford him, it's a more a question of Ashley not wanting to pay his wages and to admit he's been wrong with the transfer approach - even though it is clear to all it has failed. ashley is a control freak and benitez will want full control - i think that's the reason he left liverpool in the end. something's got to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 you tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 You trying to be our friend again will not work.You are out of your depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) we can afford him, it's a more a question of Ashley not wanting to pay his wages and to admit he's been wrong with the transfer approach - even though it is clear to all it has failed. ashley is a control freak and benitez will want full control - i think that's the reason he left liverpool in the end. something's got to give. He left Liverpool in the end because he said the directors knew nothing about football does that sound familiar? Edited May 16, 2016 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Why not say there is someone at the door and leave this site.We'll never know the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I think he would sell in a heartbeat if he could get what he wanted, but won't because the club is now worth considerably less than he paid for it. Fair appraisal of the situation? yup. no one is going to give him what he wants because he overpaid in the first place. the only way i see him leaving is if we end up stuck in the championship for a few years and he decides to cut his losses, or if we're promoted again and a silly offer comes in from china, russia or the one of oil rich arab states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I can't see Rafa's wages etc being a problem it's wether he can trust Ashley that's why his heart is saying yes but he's obviously got this doubt in his mind. Maybe's Keegan's been in touch with Rafa & warned him who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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