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That England Ukraine game in Euro 2012 is a good example. Ukraine got the ball over the line but the goal wasn't given. In the build up Ukraine were offside. With goal line tech Ukraine would have been awarded that goal, but how is it fair that only the decision that benefitted Ukraine gets looked at?

I'm sure many of us are capable of accepting that both teams are aware of how it is before the game kicks off, but wait until something like that costs Real Madrid or Man Utd a CL place. Then it'll be something else, an incorrect free kick call etc.

Where does it end?

Thing is your argument is wrong because if the goal was awarded then the offside would have been found due to video technology and then the goal would be disallowed and the offside given, all in the time the goal celebration has run its course.

 

TBH I'd rather the whole thing was left to the match officials and video was only used retrospectively to rid the game of cheats but it has started so at least video technology should be used right and with minimal effect to the flow, unlike in cricket, rugby league, etc.

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The 32 inch waist 

He's a cock but it was a nice touch playing him because he's been a great player for them.

I think Brighton will go down. They had a lot of luck with refs and late goals this season. That won't happen in the prem.

It can also add to excitement when the crowd waits for a pending decision, which would soon become part of the game. It's been brilliant for cricket.

 

 

 

 

Anything to boost the atmosphere at SJP has to be seen as a plus these days.

 

It will take some getting used to in football, there was pure silence in Paris last night, nobody knew what the fuck was going on :lol:

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I'm happy with goal line technology and leaving the rest upto the referee.

 

It'd be pretty boring if we have nothing to moan about.

:lol: Aye that's it like, you'd lose a good moan. I get Sammy's point about having Ashley to moan about but we need more than one option to moan about, it's been mostly quiet on the Ashley front but we've had some shambolic officiating this season to have a right good whinge about.

I also do get that it would be relatively quick but it would take something away from the goal celebration, I've often only got half excited after a goal while I look to the linesman to see if the flag went up before going mental you'd then also have the fact some other bloke is now re-watching the goal to see if there was anything in the build up to disallow it in the back of your mind while celebrating. It also in itself gives that next official a chance to be a dick, there is quite often something that could be given in the build up so you're giving the official the power to disallow a goal because there was a slight pull of a shirt somewhere in the build up.

 

I'd just leave it at goal line technology, it's been done really well and that was a black and white question while the rest of the subjective stuff has been left in the completely incapable hands of the officials so we can all have a good rant in the pub after the match.

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Other innovations football could do well to adopt: micing up refs, and retrospective bans for diving.

I think putting a mic on the ref would quickly get rid of the worst of the abuse towards them, as it would make the game unbroadcastable before the watershed!

The sponsors and broadcasters would soon have something to say about that, and when the money talks...

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Thing is your argument is wrong because if the goal was awarded then the offside would have been found due to video technology and then the goal would be disallowed and the offside given, all in the time the goal celebration has run its course.

 

TBH I'd rather the whole thing was left to the match officials and video was only used retrospectively to rid the game of cheats but it has started so at least video technology should be used right and with minimal effect to the flow, unlike in cricket, rugby league, etc.

If anything that situation supports my argument. You either have it for everything or you don't have it at all. And having it for everything is going to be a fucking nightmare to implement and would totally change the matchday experience.

 

On top of that I don't get why people think it would remove any and all controversy and take away any doubt about decisions. Every single week I see penalty and red card incidents on Match of the Day etc where the panel have had 7 hours and 5 different angles and they still can't agree.

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Yeah, I want 100% accuracy or no accuracy at all.

:lol:  This.

 

It's clearly going to be better on average with it than without it.

 

I like the system in tennis where players can contest 3 decisions per match.  It's actually quite exciting watching the replay on the big screen (though it's not video obviously).

 

And if football can't survive the excitement of dodgy decisions being removed, maybe we should all just watch basketball instead.

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About 7 seconds. Not the best video but as the first pass on that video is played, the striker is about a yard off.

 

 

So close enough to be part of the goal's review?

 

Way I see it, the offside was either going to be sufficiently before the goal for the defending team to reorganise thus mitigating the unfair advantage the attacking side got, or it's going to be part of the goal review anyway.

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Thing is, the laws of the game are either open to interpretation or they aren't.

the ones that aren't, the ball either did or didn't cross the line, a player either was or wasn't offside are the domain of technology. They also happen to be some of the most important calls in the game, if an offside happens in the buildup to a goal and is missed then it should be called out.

A player handling the ball intentionally is up to the ref, but he can consult with the video ref, the ref determines intent, the video ref can say with 100% certainty whether or not there was a handball.

 

Same with a foul, ref blows up and gives a freekick, nothing more to it most of the time, but if he's dishing out a card, sending someone off, that takes time anyway, talk to the video ref, was he off the ground? Did he get any of the ball? That can help the referee determine the extent of the action he takes.

 

9 times out of 10 when there is a big penalty call one way or the other the ball is dead, ask the video ref, did the player get the ball? Was that a great last ditch tackle or a foul?

 

It doesn't really seem all that complicated to me.

 

You don't have to have it for everything or not at all, because that is stupid and warrants no further arguing. 

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What Andrew said, football's failure to embrace technology is making it look a bit silly when you consider how it has enhanced other sports.

I stated (at some length ;) ) on this esteemed forum a few years back that if they brought it in for a ball over the goal line then it would soon be brought in for everything. All completely driven as you say by the needs of the TV companies that bank roll professional sport. It's not enhanced other sports iyam, it's just taken the human touch out of them. These sports that spread across the world over a century and a half without any real officiating problems until cunts in suits decided to monetise them. its not progress, it's just fuckin nonsense.

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Has it not enhanced other sports? If anything, the Hawkeye decisions at Wimbledon liven up the matches. Same can be said for try award decisions in rugby.

 

I don't see why stopping the game for 30 seconds would cause any problem at all. You'd only ever use it for goals. I think back to that game at Old Trafford a few years back, where we lost 4-3, and I think Johnny Evans scored an own goal to give us the lead. Originally it was given as offside but then overturned after about 30 seconds. Did that really detract from the game? Or were we pleased the ref consulted with his linesmen to make the right decision?

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I stated (at some length ;) ) on this esteemed forum a few years back that if they brought it in for a ball over the goal line then it would soon be brought in for everything. All completely driven as you say by the needs of the TV companies that bank roll professional sport. It's not enhanced other sports iyam, it's just taken the human touch out of them. These sports that spread across the world over a century and a half without any real officiating problems until cunts in suits decided to monetise them. its not progress, it's just fuckin nonsense.

 

get with the times, granddad 

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People forever complain about bad decisions in football and spend a lot of time giving abuse to officials before, during and after a game. Now with a solution on the table that will cut all of that out people are complaining it will "Take the drama away" :lol:   :lol:

 

Basically folk will complain whatever the fuck happens because that is what football fans do. 

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How many of Martin's travesties at forest would have been reversed?

 

At present none - it would have to be pretty much every call to prevent that from happening.

 

I also think the ref's association will whine, the more decisions are reviewed.

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