Renton 17600 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Not sure I see the point here. Just turn off the taps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6287 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Renton said: Not sure I see the point here. Just turn off the taps. Just theorising, but if Putin sees a coup coming and a removal of power, could he be looking to destabilase the possibility of Russian supply to the west being reinstated? i.e. aiming to further screw over western economies as a parting shot? Far to easy for his replacement to just turn the taps back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Could be any number of potential bad faith actors tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17600 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Some guy on the radio said it may have been timed to coincide with the opening of the new Norway-Poland pipeline tomorrow, as a warning. I assume NATO must have some submrine presence in the Baltic? Edited September 27, 2022 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38551 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Renton said: What's happening with Nord Stream? How tempting must it have been to shoot a little tracer in to that just to see it go boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Toonpack 6766 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 27/09/2022 at 14:33, Renton said: Not sure I see the point here. Just turn off the taps. Couldn't, that would have put Gazprom in breach of contract and would have resulted in millions in fines, if pipeline blows "oops not my fault" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14525 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Ukraine applies to join NATO on the same terms as recently joined Finland & Sweden…same day as Russia “formally” annexes four areas of Ukraine… will that end the war? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Ukraine applies to join NATO on the same terms as recently joined Finland & Sweden…same day as Russia “formally” annexes four areas of Ukraine… will that end the war? 🤔 Don’t think Sweden and Finland have joined yet. Hard to see them letting Ukraine join while Russia are occupying part of Ukraine. Wouldn’t NATO then have to come to Ukraines defence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2759 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howmanheyman 26603 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, ohhh_yeah said: He's took enough of Putin's money the fucking hypocrite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9163 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 4 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said: Translated to "I'm here when you dump the mad woman, Tory Party" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Don’t think Sweden and Finland have joined yet. Hard to see them letting Ukraine join while Russia are occupying part of Ukraine. Wouldn’t NATO then have to come to Ukraines defence? We would, so you're likely right. That said I am starting to wonder if that's where this is heading either way. Putin annexing regions into Russia is his opportunity to claim Ukraine is breaching Russian sovereignty in those places, and gives him his pretext for a nuclear response. If that happens then IMO NATO is in there no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13804 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I get the feeling we are absolutely fucked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Yeah but as much as Putin is trying to paint himself as the saviour of the developing world there, it's not like he has widespread and fervent support for this even amongst such nations. I disagree with the assertion of the guy making that twitter thread - that this was the obvious and apparent strategy from day one. It's been far too haphazard throughout from Russia for that to be true. While I don't doubt that the issue of Western hegemony is a longstanding grievance of Putin's, and a backdrop to a lot of his commentary, I struggle with the idea that this alone and above all else was the reason he kicked this off - it would have been far more centralised in the narrative up until now if it had been. This is the pivot, the attempt to re-cast what is happening. The reality is that 20 years ago Russia would have been more than happy to join up to Western structures if it could have been done in a way wherein Putin could have maintained power throughout - he decided against this because his central aim is ensuring his own power, and now towards the end of his life, his own legacy. I do think it quite likely he will order nuclear strikes because he really has gone all in on this now though. He won't survive this if Russia is repelled, he has to win. So yes Tom, I agree, we are in trouble now. How many lives about to be lost at the whim of a psychopath. And he is a psychopath - that has been as clear as day for years. There was never any excuse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9163 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Tom said: I get the feeling we are absolutely fucked. I get the feeling you're right 🙁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9163 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, Rayvin said: How many lives about to be lost at the whim of a psychopath. He won't care as long as it isn't his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I'm also going to add that we (the UK) are very possibly a key target here. I have for some time been noticing the UK being cited by Russia throughout much of what goes on - and I don't know, maybe he's like that with France and Germany too but we only hear it about us because of the press, but genuinely I think we're right up there with the US on his shitlist. He cited Dresden in that speech - there are plenty of other examples he could have picked across many countries - he could have called out Germany for actually invading Russia - instead he has cast them as a victim of what I can only assume at this point is Anglo-Saxon hegemony. I am convinced we will get hit if this escalates into a broader conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Having said all that, bring it the fuck on as far as I'm concerned. If it goes hot, it wouldn't be the moment for the West to shy back - it would be the moment we put the psychotic cunt down for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38551 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I think several things will dictate any response to Putin using nuclear weaponry. First, where he targets- if he hits any NATO members, he’ll be getting a warm reply. If he targets one of the “hoping to be NATO” countries, the response will be the same. Added to that, where, within any country he targets, will play a large part in the response. If he targets a town or city, goodbye world it’s been a wild ride. If he targets a strategic military site, say for example Brizlee Hill in Northumberland, I think a like for like nuclear response, and also a bunker busting “Goodbye Vlad” missile to take him out will be sufficient- he must be taken out, but whoever steps in after him needs to see we aren’t fucking about but are still open to de-escalation. It’s a terrifying thought, particularly when we have a current leader who idolises another fucking psychopath, but if handled correctly, even a strike on NATO soil needn’t be the end of us all. I’m still holding on to the diminishing hope that his nuclear arsenal is in a similar state to the rest of his military, and he’s playing the biggest game of bluff ever, or if he launches, it just goes boom at the launch site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34166 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I don't see this whole nuclear thing kicking off, but if it does I hope the first missile scores a direct hit on my giant forehead, cos I cannot be fucked with living in the aftermath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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