Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, ewerk said: He is defeated. The recent attacks aren’t about gaining ground but about causing maximum disruption and carnage. Personally I’ll consider him defeated when he’s not doing that any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16503 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Dan snows history hit podcast has an interesting bit on Ukraine and the comparisons with WW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34194 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6766 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Nothing to see here, just an ammo dump, in a school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9172 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 The NRA would approve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2763 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Russian spirograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2763 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Lukashenka's army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38596 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said: Lukashenka's army. Someone needs to dub YMCA or I’m Too Sexy over that. Leather Joyboys Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14528 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkeys Fist 38596 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Ukraine war: Putin allows former criminals to be conscripted https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63517680 Straight out of the Hitler playbook this mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8868 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said: Ukraine war: Putin allows former criminals to be conscripted https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63517680 Straight out of the Hitler playbook this mind. Shame on you, Australia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9172 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Isegrim said: Shame on you, Australia. Indeed (Quickly burns his passport) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38596 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Hobbiton is New Zealand, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9172 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Hobbiton is New Zealand, no? Don't you fucking start. I have enough trouble with Mr Geography 🙁 Edited November 5, 2022 by RobinRobin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: Ukraine war: Putin allows former criminals to be conscripted https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63517680 Straight out of the Hitler playbook this mind. Well, if they’ve paid their debt to society… 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38596 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Ginolaandtonic said: Well, if they’ve paid their debt to society… 🤷🏻♂️ “ That’s right, leave your luggage, clothes, and gold here and just step in to the ‘showers’…” 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Ginolaandtonic said: Well, if they’ve paid their debt to society… 🤷🏻♂️ You understand what conscripted means right? They're not being afforded an opportunity here, they're being forced to do it because in his eyes, as former criminals, they're lesser human beings. So they are in fact paying an additional debt to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: “ That’s right, leave your luggage, clothes, and gold here and just step in to the ‘showers’…” 🤷🏻♂️ I’m not sure which bit bothers you? I would think sending ex murderers to go and be cannon fodder is better than sending non murderers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: You understand what conscripted means right? They're not being afforded an opportunity here, they're being forced to do it because in his eyes, as former criminals, they're lesser human beings. So they are in fact paying an additional debt to society. It was tongue in cheek The liberal/lefty tendency is to “understand” the criminal and that punishment is almost a dirty word. I was using the term in a sarcastic way to “let the ex prisoners live their dreams” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Just now, Ginolaandtonic said: It was tongue in cheek The liberal/lefty tendency is to “understand” the criminal and that punishment is almost a dirty word. I was using the term in a sarcastic way to “let the ex prisoners live their dreams” I would rephrase this. The Liberal left is brave enough to recognise that people who do these things are human beings, and that the darkness of thought which compels such actions could with the right set of circumstances, occur in any of us. Therefore we have to be able to understand them as we have to be able to understand ourselves - and doing so is the only way to make anything better. The hellfire and brimstone right instead hides from the truth and prefers to call these people animals and other dehumanising terms because it wishes to believe that there is just something innately evil in them, that this cannot be explained or reasoned with, and that they should be written off. They are people. As such we are compelled to understand them if we want to deal with the causes if them committing crimes. Otherwise we're doomed to simply live in a world were crime is a relentless evil that we cannot deal with other than shooting it dead at every opportunity. Which is indeed the world the right thinks it lives in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I would rephrase this. The Liberal left is brave enough to recognise that people who do these things are human beings, and that the darkness of thought which compels such actions could with the right set of circumstances, occur in any of us. Therefore we have to be able to understand them as we have to be able to understand ourselves - and doing so is the only way to make anything better. The hellfire and brimstone right instead hides from the truth and prefers to call these people animals and other dehumanising terms because it wishes to believe that there is just something innately evil in them, that this cannot be explained or reasoned with, and that they should be written off. They are people. As such we are compelled to understand them if we want to deal with the causes if them committing crimes. Otherwise we're doomed to simply live in a world were crime is a relentless evil that we cannot deal with other than shooting it dead at every opportunity. Which is indeed the world the right thinks it lives in. That’s what John and Yoko used to say until Mark Chapman shot John Lennon… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38596 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Not entirely sure John had much to say about that, mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16503 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Yet he's still got his gig at BBC Radio 5 Live?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ginolaandtonic said: That’s what John and Yoko used to say until Mark Chapman shot John Lennon… I always refer people to Brendan Cox on this. His wife (Jo Cox, MP) was murdered by a right wing terrorist - the right itself in this instance would have to throw their hands up and say "well, he was just evil, nothing anyone could have done". Cox on the other hand publicly forgave the man and called for greater understanding into the root causes of social division. He held true to his principles because he understood that the man who killed his wife had been turned into a vehicle for murder by right wing propaganda focused on hate. To call that man an animal and write him off is to take our eye off the real reason for her death. The politics and media of the right wing - and we have to stand in defiance of their hatred and insecurity day in and day out to prevent society collapsing around us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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