David Kelly 1115 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Totally agree with Andrew. His lack of mobility, which is only going to get worse at his age, means we need to be looking to replace him in the summer. Giving contract extentions to players who aren't good enough has caused us problems for years so I don't see any desire in renewing his unless he can improve quite a bit next season with better players around him. If he can then a short term extension may be worthwhile but I suspect it will be at that stage that ties are cut. ASM is a totally different proposition. He is certainly frustrating but he's still young enough to improve, particularly with better players around him. And we shouldn't be forgetting that for most of this season he's been our only player who produced anything going forward. He's still our second top scorer and has the most assists and chances created. In a team with more attacking ability, like we should be next season, he will get more space and could well prove even more dangerous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26178 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Totally agree with Andrew. His lack of mobility, which is only going to get worse at his age, means we need to be looking to replace him in the summer. The other side of the coin is that he has never relied on pace or mobility so his advanced age shouldn't mean that his performances deteriorate as quickly as a proper box to box midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 38 minutes ago, Andrew said: I think its absolute madness that shelvey and asm are being mentioned in the same breath tbh. both talented but inconsistent players. which one has had the better season do you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I would give Shelvey a year extension on the understanding he keeps getting another year if he keeps being a valuable squad member. Then the ball is in his court 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12447 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I think he’s fine as a squad player going forward but I personally don’t rate him highly. I also think we see a similar trend with him when a manager comes in that his performances pick up for a bit and he works harder but it eventually stops. It’s went longer with Howe as I think bringing in Bruno has shown him he will actually have to work to keep his place, so maybe it continues but it’s something to be wary of imo. I think the forward line is the major priority for this summer, so he might kind of keep his place because of that focus but we should definitely be looking to improve on him at some point in the near future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Totally agree with Andrew. His lack of mobility, which is only going to get worse at his age, means we need to be looking to replace him in the summer. Giving contract extentions to players who aren't good enough has caused us problems for years so I don't see any desire in renewing his unless he can improve quite a bit next season with better players around him. If he can then a short term extension may be worthwhile but I suspect it will be at that stage that ties are cut. ASM is a totally different proposition. He is certainly frustrating but he's still young enough to improve, particularly with better players around him. And we shouldn't be forgetting that for most of this season he's been our only player who produced anything going forward. He's still our second top scorer and has the most assists and chances created. In a team with more attacking ability, like we should be next season, he will get more space and could well prove even more dangerous. he's got one more season left on his contract. i'd allow him to see it out then potentially give him the option of a year extension depending on how he does or let him go on a free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 86 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: both talented but inconsistent players. which one has had the better season do you reckon? both have been good in patches. not much else to say really... shelvey is really useful as a non defensively minded pivot, but his weaknesses are his woeful lack of mobility, and his tackling. his passing is still really his only strength. that won't go away in the next 18 months. ASM sometimes tries too hard. still one of the best one on one players i've ever seen. needs to be end product focused now. has the talent, mentality wise and peak fitness he's been a little away from great form for most of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1115 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, ewerk said: The other side of the coin is that he has never relied on pace or mobility so his advanced age shouldn't mean that his performances deteriorate as quickly as a proper box to box midfielder. He's never relied on it but it's been the thing, imo, that's held him back from being a much better player. It's also been the thing that, again imo, more than anything else that has resulted in the amount of cards he has picked up over the years. If he starts getting any slower he's going to be a liability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1115 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: he's got one more season left on his contract. i'd allow him to see it out then potentially give him the option of a year extension depending on how he does or let him go on a free That's exactly what I'm saying. If he can play well with what should be better players in front of him he may still be useful for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12736 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Refuse to give him a contract but incentivise him with one, only to refuse it at the last minute. Really assume our role as chief bastards of the football world 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Sell him now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Fish said: Sell him now. Interesting. How much would we get for him at his age? £10m? Is he not worth hanging on to even if he is mostly starting on the bench next season? Got to be shifting the likes of Hayden first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26178 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, The Fish said: Sell him now. The transfer window is closed. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, ewerk said: The transfer window is closed. Duh. We're rich. Money opens many doors, and windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26178 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Maybe it can open a door and you can GTFO? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Interesting. How much would we get for him at his age? £10m? Is he not worth hanging on to even if he is mostly starting on the bench next season? Got to be shifting the likes of Hayden first £6-10m? I honestly think Shelvey has played pretty well this season, but this is the last window where we'll get anything for him. I think we can become a better team without him. Shift Hayden as well as Shelvey, fuck it make Isaac part of the package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: Maybe it can open a door and you can GTFO? You're Irish, right? Gobble on these spuds! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16498 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 If we do shift him that leaves us with Longstaff for cover. I don't know about you I would rather have Shelvey. That's ignoring the transfer window of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34167 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Dave turning on a member of the bald brotherhood. By the power of baldskull, IIIIII SAYYYYY WE KEEP HIIIIIIIIMMMM! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1115 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Fish said: £6-10m? I honestly think Shelvey has played pretty well this season, but this is the last window where we'll get anything for him. I think we can become a better team without him. Shift Hayden as well as Shelvey, fuck it make Isaac part of the package. Including Hayden will drop the value to about £250k 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 57 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: If we do shift him that leaves us with Longstaff for cover. I don't know about you I would rather have Shelvey. That's ignoring the transfer window of course. Excuse me what the fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Dave turning on a member of the bald brotherhood. By the power of baldskull, IIIIII SAYYYYY WE KEEP HIIIIIIIIMMMM! He's not bald, he's got a disease. That's like saying Tanni Grey-Thompson is short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34167 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 He's fucking bald royalty. A pureblood. He doesn't even fuck with eyebrows. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16498 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Fish said: Excuse me what the fuck? Do we need to prioritise other areas of the pitch first? Yes. The midfield is one area we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38560 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, The Fish said: He's not bald Are you Russian, by any chance? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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