Andrew 4183 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, ewerk said: TBF I can't see Trump easing sanctions without a properly negotiated deal. Yes, the way these negotiations have started is arse about face but he can't give anything away in a two hour meeting surely? How sure of that are you? Maybe not in a concrete fashion but his bluster will give Kim and those observing him plenty to get stuck into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Renton said: Why would Kim trust him on any deal? He signed one at G7 and reneged literally just hours later because of a throwaway comment. And then there is the bizarre sycophancy of his staff, saying there is a special place in hell for Trudeau. Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a lot of trust initially to pull this off. Would you trust Trump? Of course not but I think that Kim may be desperate at this point. Which is why I'm surprised that he hasn't gone to the Russians rather than Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Andrew said: How sure of that are you? Maybe not in a concrete fashion but his bluster will give Kim and those observing him plenty to get stuck into. I'm as sure as I can be in that it's impossible to imagine any American President doing it. But y'know, Trump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17621 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, ewerk said: Of course not but I think that Kim may be desperate at this point. Which is why I'm surprised that he hasn't gone to the Russians rather than Trump. Aye, cut out the middle man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/44435081/trump-trudeau-special-place-in-hell-for-justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9941 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Good to see they are not overreacting at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Mays sided with Trudeau in her statement on the G7, so there goes any hope of a "cracking deal" with the US once we're out, assuming this cunt is still alive/president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Those in the know don't seem all that impressed by the Statement from the Trump-Kim summit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 A massive victory for Trump. The greatest negotiator of our times. MAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1!!!1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: A massive victory for Trump. The greatest negotiator of our times. MAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1!!!1 You forgot to switch accounts man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Can you imagine if this works, and instead of being the greatest laughing stock of a US President in history, we actually have to remember Trump for something impressive I guess as long as it saves lives it doesn't matter who farcical the whole thing is. Edited June 12, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 They’ve met and that’s about it. Kim has gotten recognition as an international statesman and there’s been a wishy washy statement with absolutely nothing of substance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, ewerk said: They’ve met and that’s about it. Kim has gotten recognition as an international statesman and there’s been a wishy washy statement with absolutely nothing of substance. They were locked in talks for almost 40 minutes, man. It's all sorted now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Can you imagine if this works, and instead of being the greatest laughing stock of a US President in history, we actually have to remember Trump for something impressive I guess as long as it saves lives it doesn't matter who farcical the whole thing is. If what works? They haven't done anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Andrew said: If what works? They haven't done anything If he gets peace. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just noting that if Kim actually wants to return to the international fold in any genuine sense, he may just be using Trump as a face saving way of doing it - which means this could be a serious attempt at peace from the Korean side, irrespective of what the Americans think is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: They were locked in talks for almost 40 minutes, man. It's all sorted now. Yeah but 30 of those minutes were taken up with Trump showing Kim the electoral results map and the other ten was showing him the picture of the crowd at his inauguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30241 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Andrew said: If what works? They haven't done anything They did a weird 13 second handshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Look at it this way - there was a reason this happened, on both sides. Trump's reason is easy - he's an idiot, wanted to distract everyone from the Russian collusion stuff, and generally takes any opportunity to make himself look good. Kim's is... presumably to gain international recognition? OK, so he's got that now. But to what end? What does he intend to do with it if not engage with the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12736 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 They’ve probably been sending in covert teams to destroy Pyongyang power lines for about 6 months now, of course North Korea are going to be open to a PR exercise[\Parky] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26174 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Look at it this way - there was a reason this happened, on both sides. Trump's reason is easy - he's an idiot, wanted to distract everyone from the Russian collusion stuff, and generally takes any opportunity to make himself look good. Kim's is... presumably to gain international recognition? OK, so he's got that now. But to what end? What does he intend to do with it if not engage with the world? Sanctions are bound to be biting by now. It could be an attempt to show the Chinese he’s serious and hope they ease the sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Sanctions are bound to be biting by now. It could be an attempt to show the Chinese he’s serious and hope they ease the sanctions. True, but you would think he only gets to play that card once. If he pulls away from this deal, no US President in future is going to give him anywhere near close to such an opportunity. It would be a very short termist outlook. Still though, the Chinese seemed pretty impressed with this so it's certainly a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38559 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Trump- “ Give up the nuclears, and you can have a go on Melania” Kim- “ Deal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34167 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Trump is an international fanny sniffer and North Korea represents uncharted territory. That's what this is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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