PaddockLad 2,777 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 SHIT GETTIN REAL @ THE CAPITOL Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 3,136 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 I can’t believe the Donald would do such a thing. Link to post Share on other sites
The Fish 813 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 22 hours ago, Tom said: I can’t believe the Donald would do such a thing. Seems in-keeping with his behaviour. Soon to be kicked out of his home, so violently evicts someone from theirs. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 3,136 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 What a ridiculous country. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gemmill 2,825 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 No pardon for the Tiger King. The Skin Tag King Bannon got one though. Nowt for Trump himself and his kids. Let the legal avalanche begin. Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,777 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Bannon has been pardoned before he was convicted of anything.. What a fuckin country Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,499 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Isegrim said: Imagine looking out of your prison cell as the limo drives away knowing you're still stuck there for another 20 years. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,142 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Bannon has been pardoned before he was convicted of anything.. What a fuckin country He was also pleading not guilty whereas I understand clemency is normally reserved for those that admit their guilt. I'm really struggling to understand why a president can pardon anyone though? Is this another part of their tinpot constitution? Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeys Fist 7,398 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, Gemmill said: Nowt for Trump himself and his kids. Let the legal avalanche begin. Yet. He’s still Prez for a few hours. Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,142 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 43 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Yet. He’s still Prez for a few hours. Can't wait until he is relinquished from this. Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,499 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Nearly 200 years later and some of you still don’t quite get it. Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,903 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Person who wrote that probably wonders why they named the county after a condiment 2 Link to post Share on other sites
acrossthepond 219 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, Renton said: He was also pleading not guilty whereas I understand clemency is normally reserved for those that admit their guilt. I'm really struggling to understand why a president can pardon anyone though? Is this another part of their tinpot constitution? If he accepts the pardon, it will imply guilt, and will take away his right to invoke the 5th Amendment in future. The powers of pardon and clemency exist to give the executive branch a check on the judiciary. During the arguments for ratification of the Constitution, many feared that an unelected judiciary who held their positions for life would lead to tyranny, so the Founding Fathers wrote in safety valves. The Constitution is not "tinpot" whatsoever - it is a magnificent work of art that has persisted through the centuries. The problem is the character of the men who uphold it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,499 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Aye, can you imagine the damage Trump would have done if the US had our parliamentary system? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,499 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Though your second amendment could do with a bit of work. Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,142 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, acrossthepond said: If he accepts the pardon, it will imply guilt, and will take away his right to invoke the 5th Amendment in future. The powers of pardon and clemency exist to give the executive branch a check on the judiciary. During the arguments for ratification of the Constitution, many feared that an unelected judiciary who held their positions for life would lead to tyranny, so the Founding Fathers wrote in safety valves. The Constitution is not "tinpot" whatsoever - it is a magnificent work of art that has persisted through the centuries. The problem is the character of the men who uphold it. Fair enough, but your last point does seem to be a fundamental flaw. I've always wondered if there is a way for a constitution to evolve in line with contemporary values and practicalities. The second ammendment in the US would suggest it hasn't worked there and could ultimately be fatal. It's led to all manner of perverse outcomes. Not that I can criticise too much being a subject of the Queen in a country with no written constitution at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,903 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 13 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye, can you imagine the damage Trump would have done if the US had our parliamentary system? You barely need to imagine it. Trump feels like a blip compared to the sea change here over the past 4 years Link to post Share on other sites
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