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On 27/02/2021 at 07:18, Alex said:

The bint who got shot that day was from San Diego iirc

 

Aye. Lived on the Mexican border in a patch of land that used to be Mexico. Was "definitely not racist" but tweeted shit like #blacklifesdontmatter. 

 

I dont mean to sound cold or callous but I think I just felt the earth get lighter. 

 

 

 

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Yeah i read that a few days ago. That article has very little on substance though, mostly because not enough time has passed to judge anything. Yes he's been successful with COVID so far but then over the same time period so has Johnson. Take that out of his argument and there's not much left.

 

Also Freedland is a longstanding centrist on the Labour front and was needling Corbyn from the word go when he won power. So to be clear with your comment,  the left and the centre need to stop fighting each other. The centre was actually even worse when Corbyn won power - coups, articles in the press, stabbing people in the front, etc.

 

For what it's worth though, the left in the US has been far  far more visible and vocal in opposition to the centrist wing of the democrats at least as far as the actual politicians are concerned. Corbyn has said next to fuck all since he resigned, AOC has been threatening to jack in politics altogether if things dont improve.

 

Biden is having an easy ride because people still remember Trump. I don't think he's going to be able to rely on that forever. That said, I'm reserving judgement for now - he seems to be doing ok. But that article is naively premature or, more likely, a cheap jab to confirm the writer's existing worldview. He'll be invisible if things start going wrong.

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I'm also going to add - the left aren't going to cost Starmer victory. No one is listening to them, no one cares.

 

Starmer is going to lose because he can't win back the Brexit redwallers (the left will have zero impact on these people) and he can't retain the diehard remainers (the left has basically zero impact here either as they would also be seeking to move on, from everything I've read).

 

You can safely forget about the left torpedoing Starmer. If he fucks up, and he will, it's because the centreground in Labour has failed.

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:lol:

 

Tbf, I'm coming to a new viewpoint on this stuff now anyway - I only replied to this one because I read the same article the other day and also had a friend of mine (far more left wing) read it so we could talk it through. My current view is that I'm not even really paying attention to politics anymore because it was just making me miserable, and I'm looking more at things I can control myself - i.e. my own life.

 

So, other than the essays contributed so far, I'll accept that a diversity of opinion exists and leave it there :lol: I mean, I'll try to. We'll see.

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This red wall bollocks needs fucking torpedoing to be honest. Sick of hearing about it and sick of the massively inflated influence it apparently has that it previously never had when it was supposedly more red. :cuppa:

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2 hours ago, Howmanheyman said:

This red wall bollocks needs fucking torpedoing to be honest. Sick of hearing about it and sick of the massively inflated influence it apparently has that it previously never had when it was supposedly more red. :cuppa:

The problem is the Tories found a way to speak to traditional labour heartlands. The only way Labour gets in power is winning those seats back while also flipping the type of middle England constituency Blair used to win. I dunno how you square that circle tbh. But someone like Starmer must have a better chance than corbyn. 

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The demographics don't help - "dying" towns in the North are losing young people and as the percentage of old people increases, the criteria for getting votes changes.

 

The tories are happy to appeal to those "values" to the point of denying institutional racism (as an example) because it knows it solidifies those votes. 

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Yeah, I grew up in a “dying” northern town. Everyone my age with a bit about them moved elsewhere, the people left behind are my parents age or people who got left behind, how do Labour make these generations of people believe better is available

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6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

The problem is the Tories found a way to speak to traditional labour heartlands. The only way Labour gets in power is winning those seats back while also flipping the type of middle England constituency Blair used to win. I dunno how you square that circle tbh. But someone like Starmer must have a better chance than corbyn. 

It needs to flip the middle England seats. Most of the area around me is labour. It needs to look further down the road. :good:

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1 hour ago, Howmanheyman said:

It needs to flip the middle England seats. Most of the area around me is labour. It needs to look further down the road. :good:

When places like Blyth and Doncaster turn blue you have a problem 

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3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

When places like Blyth and Doncaster turn blue you have a problem 

In general yes but Blyth's margin was about 1000 and 1500 who'd voted Labour voted Green and LD - probably down to Corbyn - so he needs to start with those before getting to switchers to the tories. Taking brexit out of the equation will help but he still needs to show people what he stands for which is where he's failed so far. 

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