Rayvin 4949 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: But it’s precisely the point isn’t it, apologies if I’m labouring it, and there are parallels over here. There is no appetite for overt socialism in middle England either. But if you can find a way to win power, and to do so you have to win back these voters, you can swing to the left later.  I don't think I've ever disagreed with that if it would actually work. My contention has generally been that the centre is a busted flush that has nothing to offer despite its acolytes claiming that it's the one true path. I was pro New Labour, I backed Miliband, I backed Brown even. They failed, their ideas failed, the whole concept failed. Corbyn wasn't the messiah because he was super left wing, he was the messiah because he was offering something different to the bland, vacuous, Tory lite policies that Labour had been increasingly trying to get behind to remain 'relevant' against the context of a lost battle over the narrative around austerity. To be clear, the centre in Labour had lost 2 elections before the 'unelectable hard left' came along. The left has subsequently lost another 2, although in one of those it came quite close to causing an upset - albeit in very unusual circumstances.  Biden has won this victory, like it or not, also in very unusual circumstances.  I think my argument here really is that we've proven absolutely nothing about what needs to happen in the UK political scene by looking at the US post-Trump. Why did Miliband not win? Why did Brown not win? Why hasn't New Labour been in power forever?  I would also argue that the situation is more difficult in the UK than it is in the US. People are far more polarised in this country - part of that is a consequence of Corbyn but the genie isn't going back in the bottle I don't think, so we have to roll with it. If Starmer is going to win he will need to speak to the left, right and centre simultaneously. Johnson isn't the great evil that Trump was, he can't rely on his enemy motivating the left to vote while he goes chasing after the centre - which is what Biden did - especially as Johnson is actually outflanking him on the left with spending.  To be clear though, a hard left winger isn't the answer either - it could have been pre-Brexit, but not now. I think, unfortunately, that the ludicrous handling from ALL involved within Labour during the Corbyn years has rather ensured that the answer is Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34190 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Good Easter weekend, lads? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19746 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 People had enough of New Labour in 2008. The financial crisis was an unusual time too, and the Tories were able to take control of the narrative. You’re right that Miliband tried and failed to win power from the centre - I think he would have governed more from the left. We just have to hope that there is more appetite for change in four years time. I suspect that after covid, there might be. Not that that’s reflected in the current polls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 The current polls are intensely depressing. We're basically a one party state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19746 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: The current polls are intensely depressing. We're basically a one party state. my concern with starmer isn’t his approach but that he lacks the personality to reclaim the narrative. He’s just a bit grey. The manc mag of British politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: my concern with starmer isn’t his approach but that he lacks the personality to reclaim the narrative. He’s just a bit grey. The manc mag of British politics  I mean, that's what you're asking for though - Biden was completely the same. Yeah he seems to have a bit of life in him now, but pre-election he was aiming to be as bland as possible. Starmer is literally doing what you and these journalists are saying he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8868 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Lionel Hutz seems to be right on the money.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19746 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Rayvin said: Â I mean, that's what you're asking for though - Biden was completely the same. Yeah he seems to have a bit of life in him now, but pre-election he was aiming to be as bland as possible. Starmer is literally doing what you and these journalists are saying he should be. You can occupy the centre ground and have a personality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Bring back Trump. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8868 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Â 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Chauvin guilty on all three counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9172 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The American system is weird. In most countries, I would have expected him to be convicted of the worst charge only, with the others as back-ups, if the more serious charges don't stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Anybody watching ITV? What the fuck is wrong with Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8868 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Isegrim 8868 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkeys Fist 38587 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Yank version of CT at 1:59. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12449 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021  Fucking hell. ”Why did they come to you, the my pillows guy, with this evidence?” ”They didn’t come to me, they came to me January 9th” The scary part is that thick cunt is no dumber than Trump, and Trump was in charge of a nation for four fucking years because of the racist wilderbeasts in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12449 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 “Lindell is being sued for libel by Dominion Voting Systems — to the tune of $1.3 billion — over his debunked claims of voter fraud. He has also been banned from Twitter for his conspiracy theories, which led him to launch his own platform. His “Frank” website is ostensibly dedicated to free speech, but Lindell has already made it clear he won’t allow speech he doesn’t like.”  https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cc3adae4b01af0c26e8f2c/amp  These blokes have to be taking the piss with some of this, right?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 34190 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I really hope Gaetz gets charged soon with all the sex trafficking stuff. He's such a little cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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