rogerbarton 24 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm enjoying how he's leaped on the 'fake news' thing as a way of discrediting the legitimate sources questioning him, or even his plunging approval rating. Makes you wonder where reality blurs with what he says in his brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 China looking concerned here - they're considered a much bigger military force than they actually are IMO. Sure if it came to land invasions they'd be able to repel anyone, but naval fights over the South China Sea, the US would win comfortably. They'll also be looking to keep a lid on domestic nationalism here. If the Chinese people see that the US is provoking them, they'll judge their government on its response. If the CCP look weak, they'll lose power. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/07/steve-bannon-china-plays-down-predictions-of-war-with-us-wang-yi I reckon the US might fancy their chances, disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12447 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 No mention of the Bowling Green Massacre, even though it was entirely ignored by the media. Never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) American Navy wouldn't last 5 min in the South China sea. China have some of the most advanced anti-ship missiles the Silkworm c803 latest version and the DF-26 (2500 miles range) and dozens of batteries along its coast and on the fake islands. The only issue is whether to actually sink a carrier or not as all hell would break lose if America lost a carrier. Carrier groups are like sitting ducks these days. Edited February 7, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 American Navy wouldn't last 5 min in the South China sea. China have some of the most advanced anti-ship missiles the Silkworm c803 latest version and the DF-26 (2500 miles range) and dozens of batteries along its coast and on the fake islands. The only issue is whether to actually sink a carrier or not as all hell would break lose if America lost a carrier. Carrier groups are like sitting ducks these days. I don't think the Chinese could stand in the face of the wholesale might of the US navy, no matter their tech. Plus the US would get buy in from every other country actively resisting Chinese imperialism in that area. But I take your point - entrenched missile battery placements in their fake islands will make it difficult and it would be extremely costly for both sides. My point was more that the Chinese look concerned. This isn't a normal statement from them, to see them trying to calm things down rather than using current events for domestic bravado. It suggests that they don't fully trust that the US government won't attack them, or force their hands in something they don't want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I don't think the Chinese could stand in the face of the wholesale might of the US navy, no matter their tech. Plus the US would get buy in from every other country actively resisting Chinese imperialism in that area. But I take your point - entrenched missile battery placements in their fake islands will make it difficult and it would be extremely costly for both sides. My point was more that the Chinese look concerned. This isn't a normal statement from them, to see them trying to calm things down rather than using current events for domestic bravado. It suggests that they don't fully trust that the US government won't attack them, or force their hands in something they don't want to do. The in theater Navy would be toast but the backlash from America would be worse of course. The force projection of carrier groups is old hat now and alright for taking down banana republics etc...The latest Raytheon Searam anti-ship missile defense has been rolled out the last couple of years by the American Navy and it would be interesting to see how it performs against dozens of simultaneous incoming. America has some kind of deal with Vietnam now with reg to working together in a defensive posture. On the other hand Russia and China have a mutual defence pact signed 5 years ago. America probably couldn't take on Russia and China at the same time. It would cream China in everything bar a stand up land war. American stuff isn't easily replaceable and very expensive. And a lot of it probably doesn't work properly. Edited February 7, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 They might not need to in the Trump era. Although it's certainly clear that the US couldn't take both if it did come to that. Not without the EU. And the EU is on the ropes now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) They might not need to in the Trump era. Although it's certainly clear that the US couldn't take both if it did come to that. Not without the EU. And the EU is on the ropes now anyway. I worked out the Red army would be in Berlin in 3 days. NATO can't hold off Russia if America is busy with China. Under ideal conditions the re-supply is 7 days. NATO is designed to hold on for about a week in ideal scenarios with American airlifts arriving on time. In the long run NATO would possibly win if it held out in the crucial first assaults...Just in the Baltics Russia has 46 battalions fully mechanized to NATO'S 7 etc.. If America wasn't busy and NATO survives the first few days re-supply arriving would tip the balance.....Probably. There is only one rule in war. Never fuck with the bear. Edited February 7, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17625 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) The US spend more on defence than virtually the whole world put together. It's something like six times that of China and twenty times that of Russia. Russia is a minnow, it has a smaller GDP than California alone. I know who I'd back in a square go. Although I suspect it would quickly escalate to tactical nukes, and then full on Armageddon. Edited February 7, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) The US spend more on defence than virtually the whole world put together. It's something like six times that of China and twenty times that of Russia. Russia is a minnow, it has a smaller GDP than California alone. I know who I'd back in a square go. Although I suspect it would quickly escalate to tactical nukes, and then full on Armageddon. Yeah but America isn't in Europe. Russia has a massive advantage against NATO. American spending is high but their stuff is wildly expensive and complex (doesn't work properly like the new 5th Gen fighter we bought which is a turkey) and they are spread out across the globe. I agree if it was just Russia v America Russia would go nuke first. However I would question American morale and public support if a war started and their cities started getting hit. Russians are used to all that and well prepared. The Russian psyche is prepared to fight to the last man the American psyche is prepared to fight to the last European. Neither side can win. But with China I think they have gamed a win which is the worry. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/11712648/F-35-fighter-makers-leap-to-its-defence-after-it-loses-dogfight-to-1970s-jet.html Edited February 7, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9941 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 https://twitter.com/donaeldunready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Betsy DeVoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26182 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's wonderful what hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to senators will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Betsy DeVoss Grizzly bears in schools all over the US shitting themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 9168 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 They've included Paris, the Nice Truck attack and San Bernadino on there. What on earth do they qualify as under-reported? I assume he means that they did not come up on his twitter feed. I can certainly confirm that the Australian ones were well-reported here. They may have got their facts (and, frankly, their spelling) right as well. Curtis Cheng (Parramatta October 2015) was not a police officer. FAKE NEWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 The Libertarians disown Trump. Stick to what you know fishface. https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/828792904143495172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Alex Jones is a libertarian?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 It's wonderful what hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to senators will do. She has literally no clue about the department she's supposed to be running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Alex Jones is a libertarian?? When I described his site as "far right" in an article recently, I was inundated with indignant e-mails. Jones might have made his chops with documentaries about the Waco siege, but he views himself as a libertarian, not a right-winger. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2009/04/an_accused_cop_killers_politics.html Was part of a conversation where Parky said Obama's mates own the media. I facetiously said Trump's friends own infowars, which is the media source for right wingers who think Fox is too liberal. Was Parky who went into the libertarian viewership of infowars and how Jones sits to the left of them and isn't in cahoots with Trump any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 When I described his site as "far right" in an article recently, I was inundated with indignant e-mails. Jones might have made his chops with documentaries about the Waco siege, but he views himself as a libertarian, not a right-winger. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2009/04/an_accused_cop_killers_politics.html Was part of a conversation where Parky said Obama's mates own the media. I facetiously said Trump's friends own infowars, which is the media source for right wingers who think Fox is too liberal. Was Parky who went into the libertarian viewership of infowars and how Jones sits to the left of them and isn't in cahoots with Trump any more. Ah fair enough. I mean it's obvious that Jones is very right wing, but I had him nearer to the Alt-Right than the Libertarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) When I described his site as "far right" in an article recently, I was inundated with indignant e-mails. Jones might have made his chops with documentaries about the Waco siege, but he views himself as a libertarian, not a right-winger. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2009/04/an_accused_cop_killers_politics.html Was part of a conversation where Parky said Obama's mates own the media. I facetiously said Trump's friends own infowars, which is the media source for right wingers who think Fox is too liberal. Was Parky who went into the libertarian viewership of infowars and how Jones sits to the left of them and isn't in cahoots with Trump any more. Nice piss take. Edited February 8, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Park Life 70 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Trumps win can be traced right back to this moment. Bill Maher laughing at Ruby Ridge where the ATF staked out and shot up a whole family. It started the weird thing of bringing together the libertarians and the militia resistance and the constitutionals. Ronson correctly notes that Weaver wasn't a Neo Nazi at all. Maher happy to spread the at the time cover up/smear about Weaver and the Aryan nation. Edited February 8, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Um... I would have said it traces right back to Thatcher and Reagan instituting Neoliberalism more than some guy laughing at some people being killed. Why do you think this is the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Um... I would have said it traces right back to Thatcher and Reagan instituting Neoliberalism more than some guy laughing at some people being killed. Why do you think this is the moment? The old broad right (white haired Republicans) and the old skool financial elites loved Reagan and deregulation. They had no axe to grind with Reagan and there was no analysis from the younger disaffected in the Southern rogue states or the survivalists in 'the mountains'. The birth of the new consensus on 'big Govt' and invasive Federal Agencies started around the debates about Waco, Ruby Ridge and Timmy the boy McVeigh. Camped around these three events was the germination of the new seeds of the ideas around remaking the pact with the constitution, nationalism. patriotism and resistance. It is from those moments that the ideas we can broadly call the alt-right were born. The alt-right are deep in myth with reg to America and its a myth that Trump has exploited but nevertheless we know that myth is far more powerful than fact. Myth is the amber and quartz that is at the heart of the human condition. Edited February 8, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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