TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The bloke hired Rafa Benitez to manage us in the Championship. That's the actions of somebody that didn't want any drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 IF he was offered something like the Arsenal job i'd imagine he'd have a completley free run of the club & quite a healthy budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The bloke hired Rafa Benitez to manage us in the Championship. That's the actions of somebody that didn't want any dramaChalk and cheese. He wanted to come back up. Performance on the pitch is far more important to him when we're in the championship. Winning is not a big cost and pays massive rewards. In the premier league winning usually requires a Titanic investment for comparatively little more reward. Being average is preferable. In the championship, it's the ONLY time he'll go a season without doing something to piss fans off. He hired McClaren to manage us in the premier league, not Rafa or someone similar. Rafa was only encouraged when relegation threatened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And backed McClaren quite heavily... he isn't going to throw the club into disarray at this point. It just wouldn't make any sense. There'd be no benefit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I wouldn't mind knowing how much losing his world wide free advertising has cost Ashley this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And backed McClaren quite heavily... he isn't going to throw the club into disarray at this point. It just wouldn't make any sense. There'd be no benefit The club turned a profit with McClaren in charge. We don't spend more than we generate. Same for every manager. McClaren didn't get to choose his signings or who was sold. Same as every manager. He wasn't backed particularly. The self financing model started generating bigger budgets and he was the first to really benefit from that. Rafa will get a reasonable spend too. He just won't get carte Blanche to spend it where he wants. Ashley's approach has been entirely consistent from the day he sacked Allardyce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 It's not a bad approach either, but realistically it'll only be sustainable long term with reasonable changeover in personnel. Younger managers would be better for it. On the other hand, we're not likely to ever get anywhere under this approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I see self-financing as a positive, but not if it involves manipulating the strategy of buying players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 We dont really have many valuble players to self finance with. This coming season's going to require a substantial financial outlay to bring the squad up to premiership quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Which should come from current surplus and next year's TV money. Edited April 23, 2017 by adios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Which should come from current surplus and next year's TV money. Any idea how much that could be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I think it's £80m guaranteed and the surplus is what, £30m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 We surely aren't gonna get 110m to spend... maybe 50m at best? The rest should be saved for January or put into long term improvement plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Dave reckons there could be £90m to spend, which actually might be necessary, but I will spinwank myself into oblivion if that happens. I think it makes sense to front-load the investment given the state of the squad, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 we had £45m cash in the bank at the start of the season when we spent £80m. Assuming the same income but nowt in the bank we could therefore spend £35m. But, TV money is at least £20m more, so there's £55m. And we're meant to be getting £10m a year for Sissoko and Wijnaldum, so there's £65m. Then there's the new shirt deal, which should be a few million more than the Wonga one. Should get some wedge out of Thauvin? De Jong? Krul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Oh, is the £80m figure over a number of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 If you posted that on rtg they'd be up in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I think those stats are a little disingenuous given the Sissoko sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I think those stats are a little disingenuous given the Sissoko sale. Take the sissoko fee out if you like, at -£1m we'll still be 16 places below Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Not at all - it's money we should have spent in January. If we helped Rafa & got the players he wanted we would have won the title. Still, Lee Charnley knows best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Not at all - it's money we should have spent in January. If we helped Rafa & got the players he wanted we would have won the title. Still, Lee Charnley knows best Tbf, Charnley will be able to point to our promotion automatically and the fact it cost us nothing. He's done his job perfectly from Ashley's POV. Edited April 23, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Not at all - it's money we should have spent in January. If we helped Rafa & got the players he wanted we would have won the title. Still, Lee Charnley knows best This is very true and a point I hadn't considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Tbf, Charnley will be able to point to our promotion automatically and the fact it cost us nothing. He's done his job perfectly from Ashley's POV. This is exactly why Rafa would walk, it's extreme gambling Edited April 23, 2017 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 it's extreme gambling Luckily our dear Mike would never dream of doing such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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