Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 It really is crazy what this has come to. May is such a fucking muppet. While this is, on paper, a 'good' result for Labour, it still doesn't change anything. The Tories are going to cling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 What are the DUP about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It really is crazy what this has come to. May is such a fucking muppet. While this is, on paper, a 'good' result for Labour, it still doesn't change anything. The Tories are going to cling on. It doesn't matter there are massive divisions in the party and at least 3 factions. There is going to be problems getting anything through. Edited June 9, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It really is crazy what this has come to. May is such a fucking muppet. While this is, on paper, a 'good' result for Labour, it still doesn't change anything. The Tories are going to cling on. Yup, think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Park Life said: It doesn't matter there are massive divisions in the party and at least 3 factions. There is going to be problems getting anything through. I dunno, Corbyn ups the stakes considerably. Are the extreme anti-EU Tories going to risk re-running an election that they could lose outright, and thus inadvertently usher in the most socialist leaning politician in 30 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Yup, think so How can they govern effectively with a tiny majority alongside the DUP? More coalition of chaos than strong or stable. may staying is probably the best thing for labour and the prospects for soft Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26173 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Park Life said: What are the DUP about? Hate the gays, Catholics, abortion and don't believe in climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: How can they govern effectively with a tiny majority alongside the DUP? More coalition of chaos than strong or stable. may staying is probably the best thing for labour and the prospects for soft Brexit. They're not going to risk giving Corbyn a straight shot at winning, which they will now absolutely believe he's capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: How can they govern effectively with a tiny majority alongside the DUP? More coalition of chaos than strong or stable. may staying is probably the best thing for labour and the prospects for soft Brexit. They don't want to have a leadership campaign as it will look indulgent whilst Brexit is about to start. No big domestic policy will go through Parliament (Brexit repeal bill apart which will be tricky). small majority I suggest points to a hard Brexit or the eurosceptics will kick off. Hope Brexit goes well and at some point ease May out the door in a year or two. 5 year parliament keeps then fairly safe. But yes, this result is the worst scenario of all with regard to parliament working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: They're not going to risk giving Corbyn a straight shot at winning, which they will now absolutely believe he's capable of. How old will he be in 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 This is chaos for the tories, no question. How can she govern effectively with the DUP callikg the shots and her own party turning against her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: They don't want to have a leadership campaign as it will look indulgent whilst Brexit is about to start. No big domestic policy will go through Parliament (Brexit repeal bill apart which will be tricky). small majority I suggest points to a hard Brexit or the eurosceptics will kick off. Hope Brexit goes well and at some point ease May out the door in a year or two. 5 year parliament keeps then fairly safe. But yes, this result is the worst scenario of all with regard to parliament working well. Only thing here is that the Tories have pro-Remain backers in their camp too. They could be emboldened because actually, they could swing EU based decisions on their head very, very easily. Only 2 of them would need to rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: How old will he be in 5 years? Too old for this again. But my point was that the Tories won't risk running another election in the short term because there's every chance they could lose. I suspect that at some point over the next 5 years, Corbyn will step down and be replaced by someone else - what we've ensured, is that this person will hold the correct policy positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14527 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 May will be a caretaker, the 1922 will cut her down next week when the heir with no mandate will be decided. What happens after that is anyone's fuckin guess Ultimately we'll get Brexit in name only, fuck all will fundamentally change, but at least last night proved (to me anyway) that the young people of the country are open to bribery open to real change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Only thing here is that the Tories have pro-Remain backers in their camp too. They could be emboldened because actually, they could swing EU based decisions on their head very, very easily. Only 2 of them would need to rebel. The tories have been split down the middle over Europe for decades. This result isn't going to do anything to hise those divisions. Hardly secured a mandate to deliver her vision of Brexit has she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Only thing here is that the Tories have pro-Remain backers in their camp too. They could be emboldened because actually, they could swing EU based decisions on their head very, very easily. Only 2 of them would need to rebel. And labour have leavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: May will be a caretaker, the 1922 will cut her down next week when the heir with no mandate will be decided. What happens after that is anyone's fuckin guess Ultimately we'll get Brexit in name only, fuck all will fundamentally change, but at least last night proved (to me anyway) that the young people of the country are open to bribery open to real change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: And labour have leavers Aye but it's not a toxic issue in the Labour Party since they're voting out anyway, and Labour's stance would actually be beneficial to people (jobs ahead of other considerations). The Tories are driven by ideology on this one, on the extremist fringe at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, ewerk said: Hate the gays, Catholics, abortion and don't believe in climate change. OoOO Not too bad then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Coalition of Cunts it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: May will be a caretaker, the 1922 will cut her down next week when the heir with no mandate will be decided. What happens after that is anyone's fuckin guess Ultimately we'll get Brexit in name only, fuck all will fundamentally change, but at least last night proved (to me anyway) that the young people of the country are open to bribery open to real change Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 "No democratic legitimacy. Her position is untenable: no credibility at home or bargaining power with Brussels" pretty damning assessment from paddy ashdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 “The two parties have worked well together for two years.There’s no reason to suppose they won’t continue to do so in future. “But the point made time after time to Labour MPs remains: for as long as you allow yourselves to be led by an IRA cheerleader, you exclude yourselves from entering No 10.” This is from the DUP. They can get fucked. A total irrelevance of a party until Calamity Theresa happened to fall on them awkwardly last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19736 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 McDonnell calling for a labour minority government. This is chaos man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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