Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: She doesnt. Tried to resign early yesterday apparently but the men in suits said she had to secure the ship first. That means getting the government in place, the queens speech through and the Brexit talks underway. Leadership campaign will take place in the summer. Big question now is what more can Labour now do to be in with a chance when the next election comes. Its one thing performing well against low expectations but quite something else to get all those extra seats needed to obtain a majority. Especially when it's a given that the next Tory manifesto will be a vast improvement on the last. One very angry Tory MP today commenting on all the bad stuff for pensioners, "The only thing missing was compulsory euthanasia for the over 70's". IMO, Labour need to bring centrists back into the fold. They're out of touch but far more credible than anything the Tories have. Corbyn backed by Miliband, Cooper and Benn would be strong. Secondly they need to throw resources at seats like Rudd's. If they put no effort into that at all, and still nearly won it, then it has to be a target next time. Finally, they need to get Scotland in order. The Tory seats have to either swing back to the SNP, or go to Labour outright. Ideally the latter. Not impossible by any means, but it relies on the centrists coming on board. They'll have more influence that way anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They also need to ask Blair to come out and say Labour under Corbyn is a disaster again. That will have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Sounds like that Timothy guy was one of the best and brightest the Tories had. Shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19714 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, Rayvin said: IMO, Labour need to bring centrists back into the fold. They're out of touch but far more credible than anything the Tories have. Corbyn backed by Miliband, Cooper and Benn would be strong. Secondly they need to throw resources at seats like Rudd's. If they put no effort into that at all, and still nearly won it, then it has to be a target next time. Finally, they need to get Scotland in order. The Tory seats have to either swing back to the SNP, or go to Labour outright. Ideally the latter. Not impossible by any means, but it relies on the centrists coming on board. They'll have more influence that way anyhow. The scots voted SNP in 2015 because they offered an anti austerity argument and they lost faith with miliband who was basically Tory lite. this time around, they voted Tory, partially because of Ruth Davidson, and because they didn't want another Indy referendum. Labour have got to own Scotland again. It'll be key in the next election. I think you're absolutely right about Corbyn having to reach out to the big beasts in the party. Get David as well as Ed miliband back in the mix, Cooper, benn, Umuna - and suddenly labour looks credible beyond the disenfranchised and the Corbynites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Have to be honest, wish Davidson was Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13920 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 We could dye Susan Calman's hair a bit darker and see if we can get away with persuading people it's her and she's defected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16452 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Have to be honest, wish Davidson was Labour. Jim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 So we're going to have a change of PM slap bang in the middle of Brexit negotiations? That should really help things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Hung parliment was a perfect excuse for a different party to prop them up on condition of a second referendum. Fucked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Hung parliment was a perfect excuse for a different party to prop them up on condition of a second referendum. Fucked it It's not over yet. The Tories can't deliver hard Brexit with the DUP and even if they could, they'd have to survive first. We may well lose the battle on the EU but I don't think our last chance for averting it has past yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, ewerk said: So we're going to have a change of PM slap bang in the middle of Brexit negotiations? That should really help things. Strong and stable though. The Tory way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19714 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: She doesnt. Tried to resign early yesterday apparently but the men in suits said she had to secure the ship first. That means getting the government in place, the queens speech through and the Brexit talks underway. Leadership campaign will take place in the summer. Big question now is what more can Labour now do to be in with a chance when the next election comes. Its one thing performing well against low expectations but quite something else to get all those extra seats needed to obtain a majority. Especially when it's a given that the next Tory manifesto will be a vast improvement on the last. One very angry Tory MP today commenting on all the bad stuff for pensioners, "The only thing missing was compulsory euthanasia for the over 70's". Only need a 20+ seat swing for a labour led progressive coalition of chaos. Not unthinkable. A lot will depend on who replaces May and whether Corbyn can rally the big beast blairites around him Edited June 10, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 To win the argument we need to be more decisive than that. He needs a majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, Rayvin said: To win the argument we need to be more decisive than that. He needs a majority. Its ok, the Tory party is about to rip itself apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26100 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 So the Tories had an agreement. Then they didn't. They're even fucking this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 How unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 This is just perfect May in bed with terrorist sympathisers - check. Coalition of chaos - check Weak and wobbly - check. She may now have outdone Cameron as the worst PM in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Gideon dancing around May's corpse with a few cans in him on marr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17522 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Jezza on Andrew Marr show. He's even won me over. All labour need to do in the near future is sit back with popcorn and watch the Tories self destruct. Incredible. Imagine this 3 weeks ago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Jezza coming into his own. https://streamable.com/pvjrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: Jezza coming into his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, Renton said: Jezza on Andrew Marr show. He's even won me over. All labour need to do in the near future is sit back with popcorn and watch the Tories self destruct. Incredible. Imagine this 3 weeks ago. He reached out to the centrists as well. I really fucking hope they take him up on it. Labour uniting now would be a powerful statement in the face of what the Tories are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 You would hope that both the career politicians and those with some semblance of a soul left will see what an opportunity this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Yep. I'm sure some of them will. As I said, Miliband sounded up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4948 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On the other hand, McDonnell has just come out and said Labour won't stay in the single market and that the team won't change much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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