ewerk 26232 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 My point is that the party is unlikely to elect him as leader given his stance. Anyway, it's all moot as reports say that May isn't for resigning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 May staying on is the ideal scenario... I think. She'll carry the damaged credibility of the Tories with her and lower the risk of a Tory revival in another election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: I can't imagine her sticking to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: The Tory party was described as a casino earlier. Thought that was a bit of an odd analogy given the casino always wins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: May staying on is the ideal scenario... I think. She'll carry the damaged credibility of the Tories with her and lower the risk of a Tory revival in another election. She'll carry on until they figure out what to do about governing / Brexit. Torys would be destroyed if they indulged in a leadership campaign while the UK burns. That said I think it's all going to come crashing down very quickly and the ONLY solution will be another election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Putting the mandate that Corbyn just got into context, compare it with the labour win of 2005 2017 40.1% 12.8m 2015 35.2% 9.5m Can only see it growing in the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26232 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I don't see how there can possibly be another election when the Brexit clock is ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4202 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, ewerk said: Anyway, it's all moot as reports say that May isn't for resigning. Who expected her to give up the chance of one last u-turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: I don't see how there can possibly be another election when the Brexit clock is ticking. Surely by the same contention though, the Tories mandate (and likely their ability) to do absolutely anything constructive about Brexit just died a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26232 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Their mandate to do anything without a consensus just died. Parliament now have to have a vote on whatever deal the Tories manage to strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Remember the disarray Labour were in and how solid the Tories looked a few months (weeks?!) ago? Might not feel like it now @Rayvin, but this is a massive victory for your lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, adios said: Remember the disarray Labour were in and how solid the Tories looked a few months (weeks?!) ago? Might not feel like it now @Rayvin, but this is a massive victory for your lot. It's more of a victory over the PLP than it is over the Tories, but I agree that it's worth being happy about. The project will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14030 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Rayvin said: Can we persuade the young to turn out again in such big numbers I wonder... This concerns me too. But that's for another day. For now I'm just reconciling myself with the idea of being somehow happy at an election result that produces a Tory winner. Politics, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, Meenzer said: This concerns me too. But that's for another day. For now I'm just reconciling myself with the idea of being somehow happy at an election result that produces a Tory winner. Politics, ffs. Your lads didn't do as badly as I feared in the end. Not amazing, and you did lose Clegg - but you got Cable back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14030 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Your lads didn't do as badly as I feared in the end. Not amazing, and you did lose Clegg - but you got Cable back. I'm a little surprised he stood again, the writing was on the wall, but there you go. Meanwhile, thread. The fun just keeps on coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, Happy Face said: Putting the mandate that Corbyn just got into context, compare it with the labour win of 2005 2017 40.1% 12.8m 2015 35.2% 9.5m Can only see it growing in the next election. It's much more complex than that though, because of the collapse of UKIP and SNP. For instance, even under the disastrous tenure of Foot, labour won 36.9% of the popular vote. If Brexit is genuinely threatened then a revival of UKip is possible. We're in uncharted territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It's more of a victory over the PLP than it is over the Tories, but I agree that it's worth being happy about. The project will continue. You do realise that in general elections you vote for your local parliamentary candidate and not the potential PM (unless he is standing in your seat), don't you? And that in each constituency, the prospective member of parliament fights his own campaign for election? So this is a victory for the PLP as much if not more than Corbyn. If you want to heal wounds, move on, it's probably best to avoid divisive ideas like this is some project that is underway and that Corbyn has scored a victory over his own party. The PLP now will get behind Corbyn but it needs to be consensual and some of the more extreme elements of momentum need to be kept in check. Edited June 9, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Renton said: It's much more complex than that though, because of the collapse of UKIP and SNP. For instance, even under the disastrous tenure of Foot, labour won 36.9% of the popular vote. If Brexit is genuinely threatened then a revival of UKip is possible. We're in uncharted territory. Purely as a riposte to "Corbyn is unelectable" though. It puts that to bed. Indyref2 is put to bed as well so Tories will lose all Scottish gains next time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 9981 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Happy Face said: Purely as a riposte to "Corbyn is unelectable" though. It puts that to bed. Indyref2 is put to bed as well so Tories will lose all Scottish gains next time around. He wasn't elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30337 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Whatever happens from here on in I think the rejection of the utter bullshit from the likes of The Sun and The Mail as well as the empty rhetoric of May is a massive positive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16562 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If May stays on she will be the laughing stock at the Brexit talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I'm sat at work now struggling to stay awake... Glad I endured though. Nice to get to see something positive unfold politically, albeit a measured positive. Just another 6 hours before i can go home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30337 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I'm sat at work now struggling to stay awake... Glad I endured though. Nice to get to see something positive unfold politically, albeit a measured positive. Just another 6 hours before i can go home... Aye, although Labour didn't win it's the first bit of good news in regard to UK politics I've heard in what feels like ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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