Tom 13811 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Having read her interview he's definitely in the wrong like. She's a fucking idiot too mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tom said: Having read her interview he's definitely in the wrong like. She's a fucking idiot too mind... Is that really that surprising though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13811 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Not at all - but he doesn't seem to be denying her account or the text messages etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30246 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tom said: Having read her interview he's definitely in the wrong like. She's a fucking idiot too mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tom said: Not at all - but he doesn't seem to be denying her account or the text messages etc. His response isn't necessarily denying anything other than that everything seemed fine Quote In September of last year, I met a woman at a party. We exchanged numbers. We texted back and forth and eventually went on a date. We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual. The next day, I got a text from her saying that although “it may have seemed okay,” upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable. It was true that everything did seem okay to me, so when I heard that it was not the case for her, I was surprised and concerned. I took her words to heart and responded privately after taking the time to process what she had said. I continue to support the movement that is happening in our culture. It is necessary and long overdue. Is it her story that doesn't line up in that case? From "upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable" to apparently saying no and trying to stop him several times. To me Ansari comes across as a bit shit at dating and at sex but not a lot more to me. If you're texting a bloke for two weeks, go on a date in which he's apparently clearly rushing to get you back home and you go and then put your lips on his knob hes not that far wrong in assuming you're into it. People are already on at Netflix to cancel his shows etc. this is it, this is where you can now go on a date, have it not be very good and end up losing your entire career. This isn't Weinstein or what happened to Eliza Dushku. Who the fuck is going to babe.net with their allegations of sexual assault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26189 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The fingers down the throat thing is a bit weird like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: The fingers down the throat thing is a bit weird like. So is blowing a bloke you have absolutely no desire to have sex with for absolutely no benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 the fingers in the mouth thing is weird, but he hasn't committed any crimes other than being horny and a bit full on. he wouldn't have tried it on with her if she hadn't gone back to his apartment and if she hadn't sucked him off, he may not have continued to try and take things further. according to her account, when she asked him to stop, he did. he obviously hasn't read the situation very well but she's also sent some mixed signals. i've got a bit of sympathy for the guy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26189 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I can't see what he's done wrong. Of course when there's a band wagon in full swing there's plenty willing to jump on. Not that anyone in Hollywood is allowed to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26189 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Ant said: after you let him go down on you first as well The crime would have been if she hadn't returned the favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Aye, sucking off a bloke, twice, and then accusing him of sexual assault is bit off like Clearly the scales need to be rebalanced when it comes to consent between men and women. The last 20 years of lads mags, LAD culture, Geordie Shore and the like don’t help in teaching young lads to respect women. Cosby, Weinstein et al have gotten away with murder for years But we also don’t want to swing too far the other way where every bitter lass can start chucking out rape allegations on a whim Edited January 15, 2018 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I think there's enough here to qualify all of you as rampant misogynists as far as the SJWs are concerned tbh. I'm not even joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26189 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The SJWs can suck my dick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Rayvin said: I think there's enough here to qualify all of you as rampant misogynists as far as the SJWs are concerned tbh. I'm not even joking. Im starting to wonder about you, you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Andrew said: Im starting to wonder about you, you know In what sense? I actually think the feminists might have a point about this one. May as well have an actual fucking line in the sand that everyone understands. Would cause far less grief. Edited January 15, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: In what sense? I actually think the feminists might have a point about this one. May as well have an actual fucking line in the sand that everyone understands. Would cause far less grief. In that one, they don't have a point at all. People getting their feet back on the ground and acting like proper adults with personal responsibility expected if you're old enough to legally fuck would cause far less grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30246 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Thing is, it sounds like he would've stopped if she'd said 'stop' at any point. I can recall the odd occasion where you go through the motions a because you're in that situation and it's less embarrassing than owning up to the fact you really don't want to be there. That was my fault not theirs though. I know it's different for a bloke but at the same time I don't think there's any suggestion she felt physically threatened. Going public with it feels a bit out of order because I'm not sure he did much wrong. She's making an issue out of not getting to choose the wine back at his It's fucking lucky he's famous from his point of view if that's his 'technique' like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Alex said: Thing is, it sounds like he would've stopped if she'd said 'stop' at any point. I can recall the odd occasion where you go through the motions a because you're in that situation and it's less embarrassing than owning up to the fact you really don't want to be there. That was my fault not theirs though. I know it's different for a bloke but at the same time I don't think there's any suggestion she felt physically threatened. Going public with it feels a bit out of order because I'm not sure he did much wrong. She's making an issue out of not getting to choose the wine back at his It's fucking lucky he's famous from his point of view if that's his 'technique' like. Blessing and a curse, if he wasn't then she'd probably just be ignoring his texts today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13811 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Rather than ruining his entire life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 "#MeToo isn't enough, now women need to get ugly" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/metoo-women-daughters-harassment-powerful-men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 That was terrible, that might be the worst "#metoo" related thing I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30246 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The bit where she was studying abroad and started going around with a cushion up her top to look pregnant to avoid getting hassled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The Guardian is running with this narrative, it seems clear that the legitimate socio-political capital generated by the campaign in its early stages will be used to push forward a number of other items on 3rd wave feminism's wishlist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/17/young-women-react-metoo-dating-female-writers-discuss-panel-aziz-ansari-cat-person Consent will require an enthusiastic "Yes" when they're done, I would imagine. If this is what we need to do for women to feel safe, I guess this is what we need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The Guardian is running with this narrative, it seems clear that the legitimate socio-political capital generated by the campaign in its early stages will be used to push forward a number of other items on 3rd wave feminism's wishlist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/17/young-women-react-metoo-dating-female-writers-discuss-panel-aziz-ansari-cat-person Consent will require an enthusiastic "Yes" when they're done, I would imagine. If this is what we need to do for women to feel safe, I guess this is what we need to do. It won't because in losing focus and venturing in their current direction a lot of people who would typically agree with the core principle will be alienated and the #meToo movement will fade into nothing. An enthusiastic yes is already not enough because it can be withdrawn(retroactively in some cases) with a non-verbal no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The problem with that view is that you're basically saying 3rd wave feminism isn't actually working in the interests of women by pushing on this. Which I would have to then ask you, what you think it's working towards? You think they're just misguided? I mean this isn't random people on Twitter, this is the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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